If rank 0 is doing the probing, and rank 0 is doing a blocking receive immediately after a probe says rank 1 is waiting to send, then the fact that the probes return in order, means the data will complete in order, right? ________________________________ From: Thakur, Rajeev <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 6:38 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Cc: Zhou, Hui <[email protected]>; Larson, Jeffrey M. <[email protected]>; Hudson, Stephen Tobias P <[email protected]>; Navarro, John-Luke Nicolas <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [mpich-discuss] In-order messages Yes, the probes should return in order. The actual data transfer may complete out of order. Rajeev From: "Zhou, Hui via discuss" <[email protected]> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Monday, March 16, 2020 at 6:03 PM To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: "Zhou, Hui" <[email protected]>, "Larson, Jeffrey M." <[email protected]>, "Hudson, Stephen Tobias P" <[email protected]>, "Navarro, John-Luke Nicolas" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [mpich-discuss] In-order messages Sorry, a typo. I meant “no more tag=0 messages is coming”. -- Hui Zhou From: "Zhou, Hui via discuss" <[email protected]> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Monday, March 16, 2020 at 6:01 PM To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: "Zhou, Hui" <[email protected]>, "Larson, Jeffrey M." <[email protected]>, "Hudson, Stephen Tobias P" <[email protected]>, "Navarro, John-Luke Nicolas" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [mpich-discuss] In-order messages Experts out there, feel free to point out to me if my answer is wrong -- Given the scenario described, my understanding leads to the answer to be affirmative. That is, if you got `tag=1` from the anytag probe, then you can be assured that no more `tag=1` messages that haven’t been recv’ed is coming. -- Hui Zhou From: "Larson, Jeffrey M. via discuss" <[email protected]> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, March 12, 2020 at 12:46 PM To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: "Larson, Jeffrey M." <[email protected]>, "Navarro, John-Luke Nicolas" <[email protected]>, "Hudson, Stephen Tobias P" <[email protected]> Subject: [mpich-discuss] In-order messages Hello MPICH friends, Consider the simple two-rank MPI scenario: * Rank 1 is doing calculations and giving chunks of data to rank 0 using nonblocking sends and tag=0. * When rank 1 is finished, it will send it's last data (or no data) with tag=1. * Rank 0 is using probes to see when data is ready to be received. It receives with any tag, knowing when to stop receiving, or give new data when a tag=0 is received. Is it possible that rank 0 receives a tag=1 message when there are outstanding tag=0 messages? Looking at section 3.5 of the MPI standard lets me know that "Messages are non-overtaking: If a sender sends two messages in succession to the same destination, and both match the same receive, then this operation cannot receive the second message if the first one is still pending." But I'm not sure if this applies to the above case. Is anytag "the same receive"? If rank 1 puts data in its buffer, doesn't the network have to be used to communicate that to the buffer of rank 0? While rank 1 is putting data into its buffer in order, is it possible that a tiny tag=1 message is registered in the rank 0 buffer before a massive tag=0 message? Thank you for your help, Jeff