Frameworks discussion for NEAMS
Hi All, Over the past several months there have been several discussions regarding the framework requirements for the NEAMS program. Note that we are now referring to the much overloaded word "framework" to include issues such as build and configure, release and distribution, work flow management, data management, along with the "multi-physics" coupling and pre-/post-processing tools we were discussing and considering early this year. We anticipate that working on some of these issues early in the NEAMS program in the ECT/CT program element will bear significant fruit later, but for us to be maximally effective we need a solid understanding of your (and your teams) thoughts on these issues. To do this, we would like to hold a full-day meeting in Oak Ridge on Monday 19 July (just prior to the PMT meeting). We're budgeting a day because it is a large area to cover, and it will be the first time we've had a chance to seriously discuss them, so we're expecting a lot of back-and-forth even among the different IPSC teams. We do expect to finish up in time for those not staying for the PMT meeting should be able to make a late flight home on Monday night. To help make the face-to-face meeting as effective as possible, we'd like to have a telecon this Friday to get people thinking about the questions we need to cover, calibrate expectations, and begin laying out a detailed agenda. Telecon details: 9am PT/12n ET Friday 2 July, 866-740-1260 code 2178367 Please plan to have someone from your team who is knowledgeable about both your code development efforts and various framework efforts join us for both discussions if at all possible. Currently, we would like include the following people but are open to other suggestions: David Bernholdt, Jay Billings, Lori Diachin, John Magerlein, Tim Tautges, Carter Edwards, Ross Bartlett, Kevin Clarno, Valmor de Almeida, and Jim Stewart. If you are not able to attend the telecon on Friday, please let us know. Thanks! Lori Diachin and David Bernholdt
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:41:10 -0400 "Diachin, Lori A." wrote:
To do this, we would like to hold a full-day meeting in Oak Ridge on Monday= 19 July (just prior to the PMT meeting).
We'll need to get everyone badged for this meeting, so please RSVP as soon as your plans are firm (sooner for foreign nationals :-). Even if you're attending the PMT meeting too, we'll need to add Monday to your itinerary. Please respond to Lori and I, but also include include Tammy Darland <[email protected]> and Jay Billings <[email protected]> in your RSVP to insure that it gets taken care of in a timely fashion -- I will be on vacation for a while. Tammy will be supporting both our meeting and the PMT and will send you a link to enter your info for badging. Jay knows who we're expecting and can help Lori remind people in my absence. Thanks -- David E. Bernholdt | Email: [email protected] Oak Ridge National Laboratory | Phone: +1 (865) 574 3147 http://www.csm.ornl.gov/~bernhold/ | Fax: +1 (865) 576 5491
David, Lori, Just to let you know -- I will be at ORNL on the 19th. I will not be able to attend you entire meeting, but would like to drop by for a few hours. Please let me know the location of the meeting. Thanks for setting this up -- I am sure this will be a very valuable meeting. Regards, Alex -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:12 AM To: Diachin, Lori A. Cc: [email protected]; Billings, Jay Jay; [email protected]; de Almeida, Valmor F.; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Clarno, Kevin T. Subject: Re: [Neams-pmt] Frameworks discussion for NEAMS On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:41:10 -0400 "Diachin, Lori A." wrote:
To do this, we would like to hold a full-day meeting in Oak Ridge on Monday= 19 July (just prior to the PMT meeting).
We'll need to get everyone badged for this meeting, so please RSVP as soon as your plans are firm (sooner for foreign nationals :-). Even if you're attending the PMT meeting too, we'll need to add Monday to your itinerary. Please respond to Lori and I, but also include include Tammy Darland <[email protected]> and Jay Billings <[email protected]> in your RSVP to insure that it gets taken care of in a timely fashion -- I will be on vacation for a while. Tammy will be supporting both our meeting and the PMT and will send you a link to enter your info for badging. Jay knows who we're expecting and can help Lori remind people in my absence. Thanks -- David E. Bernholdt | Email: [email protected] Oak Ridge National Laboratory | Phone: +1 (865) 574 3147 http://www.csm.ornl.gov/~bernhold/ | Fax: +1 (865) 576 5491 _______________________________________________ Neams-pmt mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mcs.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/neams-pmt
Regrettably I will not be able to attend, but I would love to get a debrief. I won't be arriving before 8-9 pm but could meet with a couple of folks if they are up for it. I am staying at the DoubleTree. Otherwise, I will hear about it during the PMT meeting. Robert Versluis, PhD - tel: 301-903-1890 mob: 202-834-2292 ***************************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:12 AM To: Diachin, Lori A. Cc: [email protected]; Billings, Jay Jay; [email protected]; de Almeida, Valmor F.; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Clarno, Kevin T. Subject: Re: [Neams-pmt] Frameworks discussion for NEAMS On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:41:10 -0400 "Diachin, Lori A." wrote:
To do this, we would like to hold a full-day meeting in Oak Ridge on Monday= 19 July (just prior to the PMT meeting).
We'll need to get everyone badged for this meeting, so please RSVP as soon as your plans are firm (sooner for foreign nationals :-). Even if you're attending the PMT meeting too, we'll need to add Monday to your itinerary. Please respond to Lori and I, but also include include Tammy Darland <[email protected]> and Jay Billings <[email protected]> in your RSVP to insure that it gets taken care of in a timely fashion -- I will be on vacation for a while. Tammy will be supporting both our meeting and the PMT and will send you a link to enter your info for badging. Jay knows who we're expecting and can help Lori remind people in my absence. Thanks -- David E. Bernholdt | Email: [email protected] Oak Ridge National Laboratory | Phone: +1 (865) 574 3147 http://www.csm.ornl.gov/~bernhold/ | Fax: +1 (865) 576 5491 _______________________________________________ Neams-pmt mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mcs.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/neams-pmt
A reminder of our telecon starting in about 40 minutes... Telecon details: 9am PT/12n ET Friday 2 July, 866-740-1260 code 2178367 On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:41:10 -0400 "Diachin, Lori A." wrote:
Hi All,
Over the past several months there have been several discussions regarding = the framework requirements for the NEAMS program. Note that we are now ref= erring to the much overloaded word "framework" to include issues such as bu= ild and configure, release and distribution, work flow management, data man= agement, along with the "multi-physics" coupling and pre-/post-processing t= ools we were discussing and considering early this year. We anticipate tha= t working on some of these issues early in the NEAMS program in the ECT/CT = program element will bear significant fruit later, but for us to be maximal= ly effective we need a solid understanding of your (and your teams) thought= s on these issues.
To do this, we would like to hold a full-day meeting in Oak Ridge on Monday= 19 July (just prior to the PMT meeting). We're budgeting a day because it= is a large area to cover, and it will be the first time we've had a chance= to seriously discuss them, so we're expecting a lot of back-and-forth even= among the different IPSC teams. We do expect to finish up in time for tho= se not staying for the PMT meeting should be able to make a late flight hom= e on Monday night.
To help make the face-to-face meeting as effective as possible, we'd like t= o have a telecon this Friday to get people thinking about the questions we = need to cover, calibrate expectations, and begin laying out a detailed agen= da.
Telecon details: 9am PT/12n ET Friday 2 July, 866-740-1260 code 2178367
Please plan to have someone from your team who is knowledgeable about both = your code development efforts and various framework efforts join us for bot= h discussions if at all possible. Currently, we would like include the fol= lowing people but are open to other suggestions:
David Bernholdt, Jay Billings, Lori Diachin, John Magerlein, Tim Tautges, C= arter Edwards, Ross Bartlett, Kevin Clarno, Valmor de Almeida, and Jim Stew= art.
If you are not able to attend the telecon on Friday, please let us know.
Thanks!
Lori Diachin and David Bernholdt -- David E. Bernholdt | Email: [email protected] Oak Ridge National Laboratory | Phone: +1 (865) 574 3147 http://www.csm.ornl.gov/~bernhold/ | Fax: +1 (865) 576 5491
Hello, Attached are some of the questions that we should ask NEAMS management and ourselves related to the amount of shared look-and-feel, shared tools/frameworks/etc., coordinated release/distribution, etc. These are not the only questions to ask/answer but these are some of them. Also, I would be willing to give a presentation at the meeting on July 19 on the challenges and possible solutions to software integration between different development teams if we are serious about trying to share software/tools/frameworks etc. Actually, I will likely discuss some of these same issues at the SIAM AN10 meeting in the NEAMS session on Friday July 16 so I will already have this material put together. Cheers, - Ross
Everyone, I am very sorry, but I was unable to make this call (I had another call at the same time). I just wanted to let everyone know that I support your efforts to rationalize the work that is going on in NEAMS in the framework area. I am ashamed to admit it, but I suspect much of the confusion the area of frameworks is directly traceable back to me. I made some calls in the early days of NEAMS that may or may not have been right, but certainly have not help provide clarity. So -- even though I could not make the call, please be assured that you have my support in what you hope to achieve. Regards, Alex -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:22 AM To: Diachin, Lori A.; [email protected]; [email protected]; Billings, Jay Jay; [email protected]; Clarno, Kevin T.; [email protected]; de Almeida, Valmor F. Subject: [Neams-pmt] REMINDER: Frameworks discussion for NEAMS A reminder of our telecon starting in about 40 minutes... Telecon details: 9am PT/12n ET Friday 2 July, 866-740-1260 code 2178367 On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:41:10 -0400 "Diachin, Lori A." wrote:
Hi All,
Over the past several months there have been several discussions regarding = the framework requirements for the NEAMS program. Note that we are now ref= erring to the much overloaded word "framework" to include issues such as bu= ild and configure, release and distribution, work flow management, data man= agement, along with the "multi-physics" coupling and pre-/post-processing t= ools we were discussing and considering early this year. We anticipate tha= t working on some of these issues early in the NEAMS program in the ECT/CT = program element will bear significant fruit later, but for us to be maximal= ly effective we need a solid understanding of your (and your teams) thought= s on these issues.
To do this, we would like to hold a full-day meeting in Oak Ridge on Monday= 19 July (just prior to the PMT meeting). We're budgeting a day because it= is a large area to cover, and it will be the first time we've had a chance= to seriously discuss them, so we're expecting a lot of back-and-forth even= among the different IPSC teams. We do expect to finish up in time for tho= se not staying for the PMT meeting should be able to make a late flight hom= e on Monday night.
To help make the face-to-face meeting as effective as possible, we'd like t= o have a telecon this Friday to get people thinking about the questions we = need to cover, calibrate expectations, and begin laying out a detailed agen= da.
Telecon details: 9am PT/12n ET Friday 2 July, 866-740-1260 code 2178367
Please plan to have someone from your team who is knowledgeable about both = your code development efforts and various framework efforts join us for bot= h discussions if at all possible. Currently, we would like include the fol= lowing people but are open to other suggestions:
David Bernholdt, Jay Billings, Lori Diachin, John Magerlein, Tim Tautges, C= arter Edwards, Ross Bartlett, Kevin Clarno, Valmor de Almeida, and Jim Stew= art.
If you are not able to attend the telecon on Friday, please let us know.
Thanks!
Lori Diachin and David Bernholdt -- David E. Bernholdt | Email: [email protected] Oak Ridge National Laboratory | Phone: +1 (865) 574 3147 http://www.csm.ornl.gov/~bernhold/ | Fax: +1 (865) 576 5491
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NEAMS CT and ECT Community: I attach a draft of a report "NEAMS Survey and Report on HPC Frameworks" which IBM was asked to prepare under a contract with LLNL. We have attempted to survey and compare various framework parts from US DOE laboratories and elsewhere, to summarize framework plans for the NEAMS application areas, and to present a plan for how a comprehensive HPC framework might be developed. This is obviously a complex subject with many different opinions. Therefore I would like to discuss the report during the framework meeting at Oak Ridge on July 19. Also please let me know of any errors or omissions. I hope to have a final report before the NEAMS PI meeting in the fall. John Magerlein Research Staff Member, Computational Science IBM T. J. Watson Research Center 914-945-2726 From: "Diachin, Lori A." <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, John H Magerlein/Watson/IBM@IBMUS, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: 06/29/2010 07:41 PM Subject: Frameworks discussion for NEAMS Hi All, Over the past several months there have been several discussions regarding the framework requirements for the NEAMS program. Note that we are now referring to the much overloaded word "framework" to include issues such as build and configure, release and distribution, work flow management, data management, along with the "multi-physics" coupling and pre-/post-processing tools we were discussing and considering early this year. We anticipate that working on some of these issues early in the NEAMS program in the ECT/CT program element will bear significant fruit later, but for us to be maximally effective we need a solid understanding of your (and your teams) thoughts on these issues. To do this, we would like to hold a full-day meeting in Oak Ridge on Monday 19 July (just prior to the PMT meeting). We're budgeting a day because it is a large area to cover, and it will be the first time we've had a chance to seriously discuss them, so we're expecting a lot of back-and-forth even among the different IPSC teams. We do expect to finish up in time for those not staying for the PMT meeting should be able to make a late flight home on Monday night. To help make the face-to-face meeting as effective as possible, we'd like to have a telecon this Friday to get people thinking about the questions we need to cover, calibrate expectations, and begin laying out a detailed agenda. Telecon details: 9am PT/12n ET Friday 2 July, 866-740-1260 code 2178367 Please plan to have someone from your team who is knowledgeable about both your code development efforts and various framework efforts join us for both discussions if at all possible. Currently, we would like include the following people but are open to other suggestions: David Bernholdt, Jay Billings, Lori Diachin, John Magerlein, Tim Tautges, Carter Edwards, Ross Bartlett, Kevin Clarno, Valmor de Almeida, and Jim Stewart. If you are not able to attend the telecon on Friday, please let us know. Thanks! Lori Diachin and David Bernholdt
Hi All, As a follow up to our phone conversation last week, here is the draft agenda for the NEAMS Frameworks Meeting to be held Monday, July 19 at ORNL. If you have not already done so, please send your RSVPs to Tammy and Jay (in particular, Tim, who will be attending for Reactors? I'm not sure I've seen someone suggested yet). Please let me know if you have any comments or suggestions on the draft agenda. Note that I've included 20 minutes for each IPSC to give a short presentation on the current status of their tools/thinking in the key framework areas we'll be discussing so that we can start from a common understanding. Thanks! Lori Diachin, Lori A. wrote:
Hi All,
Over the past several months there have been several discussions regarding the framework requirements for the NEAMS program. Note that we are now referring to the much overloaded word "framework" to include issues such as build and configure, release and distribution, work flow management, data management, along with the "multi-physics" coupling and pre-/post-processing tools we were discussing and considering early this year. We anticipate that working on some of these issues early in the NEAMS program in the ECT/CT program element will bear significant fruit later, but for us to be maximally effective we need a solid understanding of your (and your teams) thoughts on these issues.
To do this, we would like to hold a full-day meeting in Oak Ridge on Monday 19 July (just prior to the PMT meeting). We're budgeting a day because it is a large area to cover, and it will be the first time we've had a chance to seriously discuss them, so we're expecting a lot of back-and-forth even among the different IPSC teams. We do expect to finish up in time for those not staying for the PMT meeting should be able to make a late flight home on Monday night.
To help make the face-to-face meeting as effective as possible, we'd like to have a telecon this Friday to get people thinking about the questions we need to cover, calibrate expectations, and begin laying out a detailed agenda.
Telecon details: 9am PT/12n ET Friday 2 July, 866-740-1260 code 2178367
Please plan to have someone from your team who is knowledgeable about both your code development efforts and various framework efforts join us for both discussions if at all possible. Currently, we would like include the following people but are open to other suggestions:
David Bernholdt, Jay Billings, Lori Diachin, John Magerlein, Tim Tautges, Carter Edwards, Ross Bartlett, Kevin Clarno, Valmor de Almeida, and Jim Stewart.
If you are not able to attend the telecon on Friday, please let us know.
Thanks!
Lori Diachin and David Bernholdt
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with the attachment this time... Lori Lori A. Diachin wrote:
Hi All,
As a follow up to our phone conversation last week, here is the draft agenda for the NEAMS Frameworks Meeting to be held Monday, July 19 at ORNL. If you have not already done so, please send your RSVPs to Tammy and Jay (in particular, Tim, who will be attending for Reactors? I'm not sure I've seen someone suggested yet).
Please let me know if you have any comments or suggestions on the draft agenda. Note that I've included 20 minutes for each IPSC to give a short presentation on the current status of their tools/thinking in the key framework areas we'll be discussing so that we can start from a common understanding.
Thanks! Lori
Diachin, Lori A. wrote:
Hi All,
Over the past several months there have been several discussions regarding the framework requirements for the NEAMS program. Note that we are now referring to the much overloaded word "framework" to include issues such as build and configure, release and distribution, work flow management, data management, along with the "multi-physics" coupling and pre-/post-processing tools we were discussing and considering early this year. We anticipate that working on some of these issues early in the NEAMS program in the ECT/CT program element will bear significant fruit later, but for us to be maximally effective we need a solid understanding of your (and your teams) thoughts on these issues.
To do this, we would like to hold a full-day meeting in Oak Ridge on Monday 19 July (just prior to the PMT meeting). We're budgeting a day because it is a large area to cover, and it will be the first time we've had a chance to seriously discuss them, so we're expecting a lot of back-and-forth even among the different IPSC teams. We do expect to finish up in time for those not staying for the PMT meeting should be able to make a late flight home on Monday night.
To help make the face-to-face meeting as effective as possible, we'd like to have a telecon this Friday to get people thinking about the questions we need to cover, calibrate expectations, and begin laying out a detailed agenda.
Telecon details: 9am PT/12n ET Friday 2 July, 866-740-1260 code 2178367
Please plan to have someone from your team who is knowledgeable about both your code development efforts and various framework efforts join us for both discussions if at all possible. Currently, we would like include the following people but are open to other suggestions:
David Bernholdt, Jay Billings, Lori Diachin, John Magerlein, Tim Tautges, Carter Edwards, Ross Bartlett, Kevin Clarno, Valmor de Almeida, and Jim Stewart.
If you are not able to attend the telecon on Friday, please let us know.
Thanks!
Lori Diachin and David Bernholdt
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Lori, Tammy, and Jay, Even though Carter and Ross are coming to represent the waste IPSC, I am also coming early for the PMT meeting so that I can participate in your meeting. - Randy Sent from my Blackberry ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: Diachin, Lori A. <[email protected]> Cc: Edwards, Harold C; [email protected] <[email protected]>; Bartlett, Roscoe A; [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Thu Jul 08 19:51:18 2010 Subject: Re: [Neams-pmt] Frameworks discussion for NEAMS Hi All, As a follow up to our phone conversation last week, here is the draft agenda for the NEAMS Frameworks Meeting to be held Monday, July 19 at ORNL. If you have not already done so, please send your RSVPs to Tammy and Jay (in particular, Tim, who will be attending for Reactors? I'm not sure I've seen someone suggested yet). Please let me know if you have any comments or suggestions on the draft agenda. Note that I've included 20 minutes for each IPSC to give a short presentation on the current status of their tools/thinking in the key framework areas we'll be discussing so that we can start from a common understanding. Thanks! Lori Diachin, Lori A. wrote:
Hi All,
Over the past several months there have been several discussions regarding the framework requirements for the NEAMS program. Note that we are now referring to the much overloaded word "framework" to include issues such as build and configure, release and distribution, work flow management, data management, along with the "multi-physics" coupling and pre-/post-processing tools we were discussing and considering early this year. We anticipate that working on some of these issues early in the NEAMS program in the ECT/CT program element will bear significant fruit later, but for us to be maximally effective we need a solid understanding of your (and your teams) thoughts on these issues.
To do this, we would like to hold a full-day meeting in Oak Ridge on Monday 19 July (just prior to the PMT meeting). We're budgeting a day because it is a large area to cover, and it will be the first time we've had a chance to seriously discuss them, so we're expecting a lot of back-and-forth even among the different IPSC teams. We do expect to finish up in time for those not staying for the PMT meeting should be able to make a late flight home on Monday night.
To help make the face-to-face meeting as effective as possible, we'd like to have a telecon this Friday to get people thinking about the questions we need to cover, calibrate expectations, and begin laying out a detailed agenda.
Telecon details: 9am PT/12n ET Friday 2 July, 866-740-1260 code 2178367
Please plan to have someone from your team who is knowledgeable about both your code development efforts and various framework efforts join us for both discussions if at all possible. Currently, we would like include the following people but are open to other suggestions:
David Bernholdt, Jay Billings, Lori Diachin, John Magerlein, Tim Tautges, Carter Edwards, Ross Bartlett, Kevin Clarno, Valmor de Almeida, and Jim Stewart.
If you are not able to attend the telecon on Friday, please let us know.
Thanks!
Lori Diachin and David Bernholdt
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Bartlett, Roscoe A -
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Diachin, Lori A. -
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Lori A. Diachin
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Versluis, Rob