On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Satish Balay <[email protected]> wrote:

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012, Matthew Knepley wrote:

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until we move to bitbucket - can you continue to push to petsc.cs.iit - and not bitbucket? [for now - pushes to petsc.cs.iit are automatically pushed to bitbucket]

I thought we were switched already :) I cannot understand why we would not give up this maintenance burden (and directories is not a good enough reason).

For my part - I generally don't like the way the change is pushed.

- one prblem => suggest change to a new system [not evaluating all the features we currently have vs what we loose]

I thought I did that in several mails. What do you think I have no addressed?

- and I really get annoyed when a problem is pointed out with the new sytem - and the solution to that is: the current model is workng - but antique - lets change it to fix for this new system we are pusing

By this you mean not having directories? I agree that is a shortcoming. My explicit comment was that this is far outweighed by the positives. Everything is a balance, and here I believe the balance is clearly on the side of BB. You disagree on this I see.

Wrt current admin overhead - its not that much. Most of the work is adding new users [not modifying user keys]. This part of admin work will is exist with bitbucket.

Every time the user changes keys, we have to do something. I cannot believe Barry is not screaming about this maintenance nightmare.

The other systrem admin part is not much. Jsut reboot the machine when there is a kernel update.

We clearly had this situation this week, and "just reboot" sucks pretty badly.

Also the reliability aspect of such sites is also verblown. I'm sure some of them had their outages. [maybe not bit bucket - but some of them do].

Out outages are more frequent. There is no need to exaggerate. However, I listed several improvements in maintenance in addition to uptime. Matt

Satish

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