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Fwd: clouds
by Rick Stevens 16 Mar '09

16 Mar '09

FYI. Dan talked to Ed right about the same time he talked to ASCAC. Begin forwarded message: > From: Edward Seidel <eseidel1(a)gmail.com> > Date: March 16, 2009 3:55:32 PM CDT > To: Pete Beckman <beckman(a)mcs.anl.gov>, Rick Stevens > <stevens(a)anl.gov>, Charlie Catlett <catlett(a)mcs.anl.gov> > Cc: "Jose L. Munoz" <jmunoz(a)nsf.gov>, Steve Meacham > <smeacham(a)nsf.gov>, Abani Patra <apatra(a)nsf.gov>, Barry Schneider <bschneid(a)nsf.gov > >, "Deborah J. White-Wilkins" <djwhite(a)nsf.gov> > Subject: Re: clouds > > Dear All, > Could we have a phone call this week (maybe wednesday? or thursday > morning?) to brainstorm a possible joint activity (with DOE, NSF, > MS) in this? Not all of us needs to be there, but let's say two > from each side...Deb has agreed to organize a call. > > There are many many practical problems in trying to do a cloud > program with a single company at NSF, but I'd rather not focus on > those and instead just have discussions related to what you guys are > actually thinking of doing, whether the time is right for an NSF > activity, how this could be scaled up, what communities would be > able to do this, how much development would be needed beyond what is > there now, is the cost reasonable, and how we might consider a joint > DOE-NSF activity. > > If after this discussion, it looks exciting to us from a science > point of view, we could take further steps involving Office of > Science, MS, NSF and others to see if anything practical could > actually be done. But let's focus this discussion on the conceptual > and scientific issues at hand. > > Some background reading you might find interesting if you haven't > already seen it: > > http://www.hpcwire.com/features/Twins-Separated-at-Birth-41173917.html?view… > http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/Pubs/TechRpts/2009/EECS-2009-28.pdf > > > > I look forward to chatting with you all. > > Best, > Ed > > On Mar 10, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Pete Beckman wrote: > >> We met with Dan last week. Some very brief notes: >> >> * The DOE will deploy some cloud computing testbeds. Goals include: >> Which science applications are best suited for moving to a cost- >> effective cloud computing model? >> Which open protocols and cloud services are best suited for >> computational science? >> How can applications move to the cloud services? What software >> and tools are required? >> Are there other issues? Bandwidth? Security? >> >> * After deploying the testbeds, we will be working with application >> teams and computer science projects to deploy as many viable >> examples as possible. >> >> * We will work with Microsoft (Azure), Amazon, and others to test >> applications on commercial services. >> >> -Pete >> >> On Mar 9, 2009, at 2:39 PM, Edward Seidel wrote: >> >>> Guy, >>> I think we are having parallel conversations with Dan about >>> clouds. Would you like to chat about this? >>> >>> Ed >>> Edward Seidel >>> Director, Office of Cyberinfrastructure, National Science Foundation >>> +1-703-292-8970 >>> hseidel(a)nsf.gov >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > Edward Seidel > Director, Office of Cyberinfrastructure, National Science Foundation > +1-703-292-8970 > hseidel(a)nsf.gov > > > > > > >

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Fwd: Amazon/UCSD/UW meeting
by Rick Stevens 16 Mar '09

16 Mar '09

FYI Begin forwarded message: > From: Ed Lazowska <lazowska(a)cs.washington.edu> > Date: March 16, 2009 12:50:31 PM CDT > To: "'Messersmith, Kurt'" <kurtme(a)amazon.com>, "Smarr, Larry" <lsmarr(a)soe.ucsd.edu > > > Cc: "Liu, Qian" <qianliu(a)soe.ucsd.edu>, "Bracho, Hector" <hbracho(a)ucsd.edu > >, "Johnson, Kristen" <kristenj(a)soe.ucsd.edu>, "Singh, Deepak" <deesingh(a)amazon.com > >, Ed Lazowska <lazowska(a)cs.washington.edu>, Fred Videon <fred(a)cs.washington.edu > >, "Messersmith, Kurt" <kurtme(a)amazon.com>, "DeFanti, Tom" <tdefanti(a)soe.ucsd.edu > >, Amin Vahdat <vahdat(a)cs.ucsd.edu>, "Arrott, Matt" <marrott(a)soe.ucsd.edu > >, "Krueger, Ingolf" <ikrueger(a)ucsd.edu>, "David J. Hutches" <dhutches(a)soe.ucsd.edu > >, Philip Papadopoulos <phil(a)sdsc.edu>, "Dunne, Brian" <bdunne(a)soe.ucsd.edu > >, "Gilna, Paul" <pgilna(a)soe.ucsd.edu>, "Harel, Elazar" <eharel(a)ucsd.edu > >, Jim Dolgonas <jdolgonas(a)cenic.org>, "ronj(a)washington.edu" <ronj(a)washington.edu > >, Ed Lazowska <lazowska(a)cs.washington.edu>, "Bracho, Hector" <hbracho(a)ucsd.edu > >, "Liu, Qian" <qianliu(a)soe.ucsd.edu>, Tim Hunkapiller <tim(a)discoverybio.com > >, "catlett(a)anl.gov" <catlett(a)anl.gov>, "stevens(a)ci.uchicago.edu" <stevens(a)ci.uchicago.edu > >, "Sheehan, Jerry" <jerry(a)ucsd.edu>, "Rao, Ramesh" > <rrao(a)soe.ucsd.edu>, "Johnson, Kristen" <kristenj(a)soe.ucsd.edu>, "kmiller(a)amazon.com > " <kmiller(a)amazon.com>, "skjames(a)amazon.com" <skjames(a)amazon.com>, > Terry Gray <gray(a)washington.edu> > Subject: Amazon/UCSD/UW meeting > > Please pass this along to anyone I may have missed -- I don't have a > scorecard. > > The teleconference will begin at noon PDT on Monday March 23. > > On the Seattle end, it will be held in room 305 of the Paul G. Allen > Center for Computer Science & Engineering. > > We have this room, and a separate room (503 for the dyslexic among > you, and 624), available until 5 p.m. > > Directions and maps are here: http://www.cs.washington.edu/news/maps.html > . > > If you take an Amzn shuttle, it can drop you off at the building. > If you drive and park on campus, you'll have to pay the goons an > outrageous fee, but I'll give you a sticker that gets you your money > back on the way out. > > From: Messersmith, Kurt [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:20 AM > To: Smarr, Larry; Ed Lazowska > Cc: Liu, Qian; Bracho, Hector; Johnson, Kristen; Singh, Deepak > Subject: RE: The Amazon-UCSD meeting on March 23 is ON > > Adding Deepak from AWS to this thread. He will help us run the > agenda on the 23rd. Need assistance with a few items: > 1. Are UW rooms confirmed? One main meeting room with VTC, two > smaller rooms for subsequent business + technical discussions > 2. We need location of rooms to inform shuttle service and > parking options for those traveling by car. Can we get this today? I > need to book shuttle. > 3. Agenda > a. For opening 1 hour general all-hands, I propose that Larry > give an overview and detail the opportunity (Ed and UW team can > contribute). AWS side—would it benefit to have someone from AWS > address the entire group, if so what topic? > 4. Attendee list—can we break out who would attend biz > discussion and who would attend technical after general VTC? > > Thank you. > K. > > From: Smarr, Larry [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:35 PM > To: Ed Lazowska; Messersmith, Kurt > Cc: Liu, Qian; Bracho, Hector; Johnson, Kristen > Subject: RE: The Amazon-UCSD meeting on March 23 is ON > > Thanks! > > From: Ed Lazowska [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:10 PM > To: Smarr, Larry; Messersmith, Kurt > Cc: Liu, Qian; Bracho, Hector; Johnson, Kristen > Subject: RE: The Amazon-UCSD meeting on March 23 is ON > > Larry, > > Fred Videon here in CSE is working with your guys to make sure that > our facilities are compatible. If so, we'll do it at UW. It won't > be HD but it'll work. I'll let the Amzn guys know once this is > settled. > > From: Smarr, Larry [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:14 AM > To: Messersmith, Kurt; Ed Lazowska > Cc: Liu, Qian; Bracho, Hector; Johnson, Kristen > Subject: RE: The Amazon-UCSD meeting on March 23 is ON > > Ed—we need a point person for logistics for this upcoming Amazon > meeting. They need to give the Amazon folks info on parking, rooms, > etc. > > Also, could you e-introduce the vtc tech support person to the > Calit2 guys, Hector and Qian, so they can test out the equipment > before the meeting. > > Thanks! > > From: Messersmith, Kurt [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:33 AM > To: Smarr, Larry > Subject: RE: The Amazon-UCSD meeting on March 23 is ON > > Thanks for this. I will look into arranging a shuttle for AWS staff > to go there together. I need details from UW and options for parking > for those that have to drive there. If there is a logistics contact > there on behalf of Ed, I’m good to work with them. > > Thx. > > From: Smarr, Larry [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 6:54 PM > To: Messersmith, Kurt; DeFanti, Tom; Amin Vahdat; Arrott, Matt; > Krueger, Ingolf; David J. Hutches; Philip Papadopoulos; Dunne, > Brian; Gilna, Paul; Harel, Elazar; Jim Dolgonas; > ronj(a)washington.edu; Ed Lazowska; Bracho, Hector; Liu, Qian; Tim > Hunkapiller;catlett(a)anl.gov > Cc: stevens(a)ci.uchicago.edu; Sheehan, Jerry; Rao, Ramesh; Johnson, > Kristen; Miller, Kevin; James, Sunil > Subject: RE: The Amazon-UCSD meeting on March 23 is ON > > All—I talked to Kurt over the weekend and everything is on for the > meeting. > > I suggest that the team to fly to UWashington to meet with the > Amazon team should include: > > Elazar Harel > Jim Dolgonas > Amin Vahdat > Ingolf Krueger > Matt Arrott > > Joining them in Seattle will be Ron Johnson, Ed Lazowska, Tim > Hunkapiller and Charlie Catlett > > Kurt has said he will host dinner for those staying over the night > of the 23rd. > > There are two Alaska Air flights up to Seattle from San Diego that > get in by 11am, so the meeting will start at noon and go till 5pm > > The Calit2 joining the discussion by vtc will include: > Larry Smarr > Tom DeFanti > John Orcutt > David Hutches > Brian Dunne > > Hector and Qian will support the vtc at the Calit2 end > > I have asked Ed and Ron to secure a vtc room at the UW end. > > Let me and Kristen know if this works for each of you… > > > From: Smarr, Larry > Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:02 PM > To: 'Messersmith, Kurt'; DeFanti, Tom; 'Amin Vahdat'; Arrott, Matt; > Krueger, Ingolf; David J. Hutches; 'Philip Papadopoulos'; Dunne, > Brian; Gilna, Paul; Harel, Elazar; 'Jim Dolgonas'; > ronj(a)washington.edu; 'Ed Lazowska'; Bracho, Hector; Liu, Qian; 'Tim > Hunkapiller';'catlett(a)anl.gov' > Cc: 'stevens(a)ci.uchicago.edu'; Sheehan, Jerry; Rao, Ramesh; Johnson, > Kristen; 'kmiller(a)amazon.com'; 'skjames(a)amazon.com' > Subject: The Amazon-UCSD meeting on March 23 is ON > > Good afternoon everyone—amazingly, almost everyone can either fly to > Seattle or be on a VTC from Cali2@UCSD on the 23rd, so lock it into > your calendars. > > There are two flights from SAN to SEA that get in before noon, so I > suggest starting with a catered lunch at UW in whatever room we end > up choosing because of its VTC facilities. We will not use the > fully uncompressed HD for a variety of reasons, but instead use a > commercial VTC. > > Kurt will organize a group of Amazon folks to come to the meeting. > > Based on responses received so far, following is availability for > the upcoming meeting scheduled for 3/23: > > From UCSD and CENIC: > Amin Vahdat - yes > Ingolf Krueger - yes > David Hutches - yes > Phil Papadopoulos - no > Matt Arrott - yes > Paul Gilna - no > Brian Dunne - yes > Tom DeFanti - yes > Elazar Harel - yes > Jim Dolgonas – yes (possibly from DC) > > From UW: > Ron Johnson - yes > Ed Lazowska - yes > > From Seattle: > Tim Hunkapiller (Calit2 Advisory Board member) - yes > > From Argonne: > Charlie Catlett - yes > > I don’t think we need all the UCSD folks to fly up and I will come > out with a email soon with who I would like to go physically and who > virtually. > > Very exciting! > > Let me know if you have any questions… > > > From: Smarr, Larry > Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:02 PM > To: Messersmith, Kurt; DeFanti, Tom; Amin Vahdat; Arrott, Matt; > Krueger, Ingolf; David J. Hutches; 'Philip Papadopoulos'; Dunne, > Brian; Gilna, Paul; Harel, Elazar; Jim Dolgonas; ronj(a)cac.washington.edu > ; Ed Lazowska; Bracho, Hector; Liu, Qian; 'Tim Hunkapiller';catlett(a)anl.gov > Cc: stevens(a)ci.uchicago.edu; Sheehan, Jerry; Rao, Ramesh; Johnson, > Kristen; kmiller(a)amazon.com; skjames(a)amazon.com > Subject: possible amazon road trip March 23 > > I talked to Kurt last week and he said he was going to check to see > if March 23 would work on the Amazon end for a meeting which might > be best done on the UW campus and Calit2, connected by our > uncompressed HD. > > Kurt is now in Europe, but maybe he is on email and can let us know > if this meeting will be possible. > > I think the idea is for Kurt and/or Werner and me to set the context > about establishing a dedicated 10G lightpath into Amazon’s cloud, > linking into Pacific Wave and CENIC and terminating at UCSD, then > have some in depth technical discussions on how this could be done. > The idea is to set up a public/private partnership, like we have > with CineGrid, for experiments on high performance Cloud services. > Hopefully, this will convince the Feds to begin allowing funding in > grants for this sort of service. I was just at DOE and they are > also quite interested in this. > > People who I know are interested in this and might attend would > include: > > From UCSD and CENIC: > Amin Vahdat > Ingolf Krueger > David Hutches > Phil Papadopoulos > Matt Arrott > Paul Gilna > Brian Dunne > Tom DeFanti > Elazar Harel > Jim Dolgonas > > From UW: > Ron Johnson > Ed Lazowska > > From Seattle: > Tim Hunkapiller (Calit2 Advisory Board member) > > From Argonne: > Charlie Catlett > > Can all these people please let Kristen know asap if they can be > available to either fly to DC or use an HD conference at Calit2 on > March 23? > > It may be too late to pull this together, but if only a subset can > meet it will keep the momentum building… > > Hector and Qian—can you check with the UW research channel and see > if they are available on that day and can accommodate this size > group and if the auditorium is free—backup will be lifesize? > > From: Messersmith, Kurt [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:34 AM > To: Smarr, Larry > Cc: DeFanti, Tom; Amin Vahdat; Arrott, Matt; Johnson, Kristen > Subject: RE: Thank you, next steps > > Hello again. Hope all is well. We would be very interested in > hosting your team in Seattle and meet with AWS leadership, services > and infrastructure teams. > As for dates, how would some time the last two weeks of March look? > > From: Smarr, Larry [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 1:41 PM > To: Messersmith, Kurt > Cc: DeFanti, Tom; Amin Vahdat; Matthew Arrott; Johnson, Kristen > Subject: RE: Thank you, next steps > > Kurt-in spite of our Tiger/Jay Hawk heritage, I was really excited > about the opportunities to collaborate on a high performance, green, > cloud computing testbed covering the west coast of the US and > extensible across the nation and around the world! > > Let us know the dates that best work for your team and we will try > to make something work sooner than later… > > From: Messersmith, Kurt [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 5:18 PM > To: Smarr, Larry > Subject: Thank you, next steps > > It was a pleasure meeting you and your team this week. We > appreciated the tour and enjoyed the initial conversation. I would > like to connect you with our networking/enterprise services team as > I think there are some interesting commonalities in what you are > looking at. > > Let’s start looking at dates to host a UCSD delegation in Seattle. I > imagine Werner will also be sending some follow up. As the AWS > education lead, you can call on me any time. > > Talk to you soon. > K. > > P.S. I read through your web site and noticed your background at U. > Missouri. I’m a Kansas Jayhawk. ;) >

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another test message?
by Rick Stevens 16 Mar '09

16 Mar '09

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