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as less latency than 4KB.
I was looking for explanation of this behavior but did not get any.
1. MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_SIZE is set to 128KB. So none of the abov=
e message size is using Rendezvous protocol. Is there any partition inside =
eager protocol (e.g. 0 - 512 bytes, 1KB - 8KB, 16KB - 64KB)? If yes then wh=
at are the boundaries for them? Can I log them with debug-event-logging?
Setup I am using:
- two nodes has intel core i7, one with 16gb memory another one 8gb
- mpich 3.2.1, configured and build to use nemesis tcp
- 1gb Ethernet connection
- NFS is using for sharing
- osu_latency: uses MPI_Send and MPI_Recv
- MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_SIZE=3D 131072 (128KB)
Can anyone help me on that? Thanks in advance.
Best Regards,
Abu Naser
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<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0">Hello Min,</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0">Now for some cases it is working =
and for some cases not.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0"><b>Cases when it worked:</b></p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0">- when application binary (e.g cp=
i, osu_bw, osu_latency) is compiled with other mpicc (generated when config=
ured with tcp), then mpiexec (<span>generated when</span> configured with s=
ock) could run it.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0"><b>Cases not working:</b></p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0">- application binary (e.g cpi) is=
compiled with mpicc (<span>generated when</span> configured with sock), th=
en mpiexec (<span>generated when</span> configured with sock) could not run=
it and produce the same error message.
[lib path was set]</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0">Thank you.<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
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<p align=3D"left"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family:Calibri,Helvet=
ica,sans-serif">Best Regards,</span></p>
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt"></=
span>
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etica,sans-serif"></span></div>
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span>
<p align=3D"left"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family:Calibri,Helvet=
ica,sans-serif">Abu Naser</span><br>
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<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" st=
yle=3D"font-size: 11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Min Si <msi(a)anl.go=
v><br>
<b>Sent: </b> Monday, July 2, 2018 2:10:23 PM<br>
<b>To: </b> discuss(a)mpich.org<br>
<b>Subject: </b> Re: [mpich-discuss] osu_latency test: why 8KB takes less ti=
me than 4KB and 2KB takes less time than 1KB?</font>
<div> </div>
</div>
<meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DWindows-1252">
<div style=3D"background-color: #FFFFFF">Could you please try mpich-3.3b3 ?<=
br>
<a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http: //www.mpich.org/static/do=
wnloads/3.3b3/mpich-3.3b3.tar.gz">http: //www.mpich.org/static/downloads/3.3=
b3/mpich-3.3b3.tar.gz</a><br>
<br>
Min<br>
<div class=3D"x_moz-cite-prefix">On 2018/07/02 13: 01, Abu Naser wrote:<br>
</div>
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<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Hello Min,</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">I have downloaded it from <a hre=
f=3D"http: //www.mpich.org/static/downloads/3.2.1/mpich-3.2.1.tar.gz" class=
=3D"x_OWAAutoLink" id=3D"LPlnk943697">
http: //www.mpich.org/static/downloads/3.2.1/mpich-3.2.1.tar.gz</a> but it d=
id not work. I have received almost same error. Except this time no process=
information from my remote machine.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><b>Previously I have received th=
is - </b>
<br>
</p>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color:rgb(255,0,0)">Proce=
ss 3 of 4 is on dhcp16194</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color:rgb(255,0,0)">Proce=
ss 1 of 4 is on dhcp16194</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color:rgb(255,0,0)">Proce=
ss 0 of 4 is on dhcp16198</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color:rgb(255,0,0)">Proce=
ss 2 of 4 is on dhcp16198</span></i></div>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><b>With the new source code -</b=
></p>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color:rgb(255,0,0)">Process 0 of 4 i=
s on dhcp16198</span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color:rgb(255,0,0)">Process 2 of 4 i=
s on dhcp16198</span></i></div>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><b>Entire error message is:</b><=
/p>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">Process 0 of 4 is on dhcp16198</span=
></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">Process 2 of 4 is on dhcp16198</span=
></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">Fatal error in PMPI_Bcast: Unknown e=
rror class, error stack: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">PMPI_Bcast(1600)....................=
........: MPI_Bcast(buf=3D0x7ffd1ee145f0, count=3D1, MPI_INT, root=3D0, MPI=
_COMM_WORLD) failed</span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_impl(1452)...............=
........: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast(1476)....................=
........: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_intra(1249)..............=
........: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_SMP_Bcast(1081)................=
........: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_binomial(285)............=
........: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIC_Send(303)......................=
........: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIC_Wait(226)......................=
........: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIDI_CH3i_Progress_wait(242).......=
........: an error occurred while handling an event returned by MPIDU_Sock_=
Wait()</span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIDI_CH3I_Progress_handle_sock_even=
t(698)..: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIDI_CH3_Sockconn_handle_connect_ev=
ent(597): [ch3:sock] failed to connnect to remote process</span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIDU_Socki_handle_connect(808).....=
........: connection failure (set=3D0,sock=3D1,errno=3D111:Connection refus=
ed)</span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_SMP_Bcast(1088)................=
........: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_binomial(310)............=
........: Failure during collective</span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">Fatal error in PMPI_Bcast: Other MPI=
error, error stack:</span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">PMPI_Bcast(1600)........: MPI_Bcast(=
buf=3D0x7ffe2eeb90f0, count=3D1, MPI_INT, root=3D0, MPI_COMM_WORLD) failed<=
/span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_impl(1452)...: </spa=
n></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast(1476)........: </spa=
n></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_intra(1249)..: </spa=
n></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_SMP_Bcast(1088)....: </spa=
n></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_binomial(310): Failure du=
ring collective</span></i></div>
<br>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Again if I configure the new sou=
rce with tcp, it works fine.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Thank You.<br>
</p>
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ica,sans-serif">Best Regards,</span></p>
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt"></=
span>
<div align=3D"left"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family:Calibri,Helv=
etica,sans-serif"></span></div>
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt"></=
span>
<p align=3D"left"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family:Calibri,Helvet=
ica,sans-serif">Abu Naser</span><br>
</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<hr tabindex=3D"-1" style=3D"display: inline-block; width:98%">
<div id=3D"x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" =
color=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size: 11pt"><b>From:</b> Min Si
<a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto: msi(a)anl.gov"><msi@an=
l.gov></a><br>
<b>Sent: </b> Monday, July 2, 2018 11:56:51 AM<br>
<b>To: </b> <a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:discuss@m=
pich.org">
discuss(a)mpich.org</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b> Re: [mpich-discuss] osu_latency test: why 8KB takes less ti=
me than 4KB and 2KB takes less time than 1KB?</font>
<div> </div>
</div>
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<div style=3D"background-color: #FFFFFF">Hi Abu,<br>
<br>
Thanks for reporting this. Can you please try the latest release with ch3/s=
ock and see if you still have this error ?
<br>
<br>
Min<br>
<div class=3D"x_x_moz-cite-prefix">On 2018/07/01 21: 47, Abu Naser wrote:<br=
>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div id=3D"x_x_divtagdefaultwrapper" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"">
<div id=3D"x_x_divtagdefaultwrapper" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"">
<p style=3D"">Hello Min,</p>
<p style=3D""><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"">After compiling my mpich-3.2.1 with sock, while I was trying =
to run any program including osu benchmark or examples/cpi&=
nbsp; in two machines, I have received following error -</p>
<p style=3D""><br>
</p>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">Process 3 of 4 is on dhcp=
16194</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">Process 1 of 4 is on dhcp=
16194</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">Process 0 of 4 is on dhcp=
16198</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">Process 2 of 4 is on dhcp=
16198</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">Fatal error in PMPI_Bcast=
: Unknown error class, error stack:</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">PMPI_Bcast(1600).........=
...................: MPI_Bcast(buf=3D0x7ffc1808542c, count=3D1, MPI_INT, ro=
ot=3D0, MPI_COMM_WORLD) failed</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_impl(1452)....=
...................: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast(1476).........=
...................: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_intra(1249)...=
...................: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_SMP_Bcast(1081).....=
...................: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_binomial(285).=
...................: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIC_Send(303)...........=
...................: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIC_Wait(226)...........=
...................: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIDI_CH3i_Progress_wait(=
242)...............: an error occurred while handling an event returned by =
MPIDU_Sock_Wait()</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIDI_CH3I_Progress_handl=
e_sock_event(698)..: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIDI_CH3_Sockconn_handle=
_connect_event(597): [ch3:sock] failed to connnect to remote process</span>=
</i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIDU_Socki_handle_connec=
t(808).............: connection failure (set=3D0,sock=3D1,errno=3D111:Conne=
ction refused)</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_SMP_Bcast(1088).....=
...................: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_binomial(310).=
...................: Failure during collective</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">Fatal error in PMPI_Bcast=
: Other MPI error, error stack:</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">PMPI_Bcast(1600)........:=
MPI_Bcast(buf=3D0x7ffd9eeebdac, count=3D1, MPI_INT, root=3D0, MPI_COMM_WOR=
LD) failed</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_impl(1452)...:=
</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast(1476)........:=
</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_intra(1249)..:=
</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_SMP_Bcast(1088)....:=
</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_binomial(310):=
Failure during collective</span></i></div>
<br style=3D"">
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt">I checked the mpich FAQ a=
nd also mpich discussion list. Based on that I have checked </span>fol=
lowings<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt"> </span><span style=3D"font-size=
: 12pt">and found they are fine in my machines -</span><br>
</p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt">- firewall is disabled in both=
machine</span></p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt">- I can do </span>passwor=
d less<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt"> ssh in both machine</span></p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt">- /etc/hosts in both machine c=
onfigured with ip address and name properly</span></p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt">- I have updated the library p=
ath and used absolute path for mpiexec</span></p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt">- Most importantly when I conf=
igured and build mpich with tcp, it works fine.</span></p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt"><br>
</span></p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt"> I think I am </span=
><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt">missing something but could not figure out =
yet. Any help would be
</span>appreciated<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt">.</span></p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt"><br>
</span></p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt">Thank you.</span></p>
<br>
<p style=3D""><br>
</p>
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me than 4KB and 2KB takes less time than 1KB?</font>
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<div style=3D"background-color: #FFFFFF">Hi Abu,<br>
<br>
I think the results are stable enough. Perhaps you could also try the follo=
wing tests, and see if similar trend exists: <br>
- MPICH/socket (set `--with-device=3Dch3: sock` at configure)<br>
- A socket-based pingpong test without MPI. <br>
<br>
At this point, I could not think of any MPI-specific design for 2k/8k messa=
ges. My guess is that it is related to your network connection.
<br>
<br>
Min<br>
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<p>Hello Min and Jeff,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Here is my experiment results. Default number of iterations in osu_=
latency for 0B =96 8KB is 10,000. With that setting I had run the osu_laten=
cy 100 times and found standard deviation 33 for 8KB message size.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>So later I have set the iteration to 50,000 and 100,000 for 1KB =96 16KB=
message size. Then run osu_latency for 100 times for each setting and take=
the average and standard deviation.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<table width=3D"665">
<colgroup><col width=3D"99"><col width=3D"112"><col width=3D"118"><col widt=
h=3D"154"><col width=3D"140"></colgroup>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td width=3D"99">
<p><b>Msg Size in Bytes</b></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112">
<p><b>Avg time in us (50K iterations)</b></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118">
<p><b>Avg time in us (100k iterations)</b></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154">
<p><b>Standard deviation (50K iterations)</b></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140">
<p><b>Standard deviation (100K iterations)</b></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width=3D"99">
<p>1k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112">
<p>85.10</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118">
<p>84.9</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154">
<p>0.55</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140">
<p>0.45</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width=3D"99">
<p>2k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112">
<p>75.79</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118">
<p>74.63</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154">
<p>5.09</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140">
<p>4.44</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width=3D"99">
<p>4k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112">
<p>273.80</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118">
<p>274.71</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154">
<p>4.18</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140">
<p>2.45</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width=3D"99">
<p>8k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112">
<p>258.56</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118">
<p>249.83</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154">
<p>21.14</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140">
<p>28</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height=3D"24" width=3D"99">
<p>16k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112">
<p>281.31</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118">
<p>281.02</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154">
<p>3.22</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140">
<p>4.10</p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>The standard deviation of 8K message is so high and that implies it actu=
ally not producing any consistent latency time. Looks like that's the =
reason for 8K is taking less time than 4K.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Meanwhile, 2K has standard deviation less than 5 but 1K message latency =
timing are more densely populated than 2K. So probably this is the explanat=
ion for 2K message less latency time.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Thank you for your suggestions.</p>
<br>
<p><br>
</p>
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<p><span>Best Regards,</span></p>
<span></span>
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<span></span>
<p><span>Abu Naser</span><br>
</p>
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<b>Sent: </b> Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:48:53 PM<br>
<b>To: </b> <a class=3D"x_x_x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated x_x_OWAAutoLink" href=
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me than 4KB and 2KB takes less time than 1KB?
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<p>Hello Min,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification. I will do the experiment.<br>
</p>
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<p>Thanks.</p>
<p><span>Best Regards,</span></p>
<span></span>
<div><span></span></div>
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<p><span>Abu Naser</span><br>
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<div>Hi Abu,<br>
<br>
I think Jeff means that you should run your experiment with more iterations=
in order to get a stable results.<br>
- Increase the iteration of for loop in each execution (I think osu benchma=
rk allows you to set it)<br>
- Run the experiments 10 or 100 times, and take the average and standard de=
viation.<br>
<br>
If you see a very small standard deviation (e.g., <=3D5%), then the tren=
d is stable and you might not see such gaps.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Min<br>
<div class=3D"x_x_x_x_x_moz-cite-prefix">On 2018/06/20 12: 14, Abu Naser wro=
te: <br>
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<p>Hello Jeff,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Yes, I am using a switch and other machines are also connected with=
that switch.
<br>
</p>
<p>If I remove other machines and just use my two node with the switch, the=
n will it improve the performance by 200 ~ 400 iterations?</p>
<p>Meanwhile I will give a try with a single dedicated cable. <span></span>=
<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Thank you.<br>
</p>
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<p><span>Best Regards,</span></p>
<span></span>
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<p><span>Abu Naser</span><br>
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<b>To: </b> MPICH<br>
<b>Subject: </b> Re: [mpich-discuss] osu_latency test: why 8KB takes less ti=
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Is the ethernet connection a single dedicated cable betwee=
n the two machines or are you running through a switch that handles other t=
raffic?
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My best guess is that this is noise and that you may be able to avoid =
it by running a very long time, e.g. 10000 iterations.</div>
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<div class=3D"x_x_x_x_x_x_gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 6: 53 AM, Abu=
Naser <span dir=3D"ltr">
<<a href=3D"mailto: an16e(a)my.fsu.edu" target=3D"_blank" id=3D"LPlnk305789=
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<p><br>
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<p>Good day to all,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I had run point to point osu_latency test in two nodes for 200 times.&nb=
sp; Followings are the average time in microsecond for various size of the =
messages -</p>
<div>1KB 84.8514 us<br>
<span>2KB 73.52535</span> us<br>
4KB 272.55275 us<br>
<span>8KB 234.86385</span> us<br>
16KB 288.88 us<br>
32KB 523.3725 us<br>
64KB 910.4025 us</div>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>From the above looks like, 2KB message has less latency than 1 KB and 8K=
B has less latency than 4KB.
<br>
</p>
<p>I was looking for explanation of this behavior but did not get any=
.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<ol>
<li><span>MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_<wbr>SIZE</span><span> is set to 128K=
B. So none of the above message size is using Rendezvous protocol. Is there=
any partition inside eager protocol (e.g. 0 - 512 bytes, 1KB - 8KB, 16KB -=
64KB)? If yes then what are the
boundaries for them? Can I log them with debug-event-logging? </span><br>
</li></ol>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Setup I am using: </p>
<p>- two nodes has intel core i7, one with 16gb memory another one 8gb</p>
<p>- mpich 3.2.1, configured and build to use nemesis tcp</p>
<p>- 1gb Ethernet connection</p>
<p>- NFS is using for sharing<br>
</p>
<p>- osu_latency: uses MPI_Send and MPI_Recv</p>
<p>- <span>MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_<wbr>SIZE</span>=3D <span>131072</sp=
an> (128KB)<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Can anyone help me on that? Thanks in advance.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
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I was looking for explanation of this behavior but did not get any.
1. MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_SIZE is set to 128KB. So none of the abov=
e message size is using Rendezvous protocol. Is there any partition inside =
eager protocol (e.g. 0 - 512 bytes, 1KB - 8KB, 16KB - 64KB)? If yes then wh=
at are the boundaries for them? Can I log them with debug-event-logging?
Setup I am using:
- two nodes has intel core i7, one with 16gb memory another one 8gb
- mpich 3.2.1, configured and build to use nemesis tcp
- 1gb Ethernet connection
- NFS is using for sharing
- osu_latency: uses MPI_Send and MPI_Recv
- MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_SIZE=3D 131072 (128KB)
Can anyone help me on that? Thanks in advance.
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=3D"http: //www.mpich.org/static/downloads/3.2.1/mpich-3.2.1.tar.gz" class=
=3D"OWAAutoLink" id=3D"LPlnk943697" previewremoved=3D"true">
http: //www.mpich.org/static/downloads/3.2.1/mpich-3.2.1.tar.gz</a> but it d=
id not work. I have received almost same error. Except this time no process=
information from my remote machine.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0"><b>Previously I have received thi=
s - </b>
<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0"></p>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">=
Process 3 of 4 is on dhcp16194</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">=
Process 1 of 4 is on dhcp16194</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">=
Process 0 of 4 is on dhcp16198</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">=
Process 2 of 4 is on dhcp16198</span></i></div>
<p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0"><b>With the new source code -</b>=
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0"></p>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Process 0 o=
f 4 is on dhcp16198</span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">Process 2 o=
f 4 is on dhcp16198</span></i></div>
<p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0"><b>Entire error message is:</b></=
p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0"></p>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Process 0 of 4 is on dhcp16198</sp=
an></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Process 2 of 4 is on dhcp16198</sp=
an></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Fatal error in PMPI_Bcast: Unknown=
error class, error stack:</span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">PMPI_Bcast(1600)..................=
..........: MPI_Bcast(buf=3D0x7ffd1ee145f0, count=3D1, MPI_INT, root=3D0, M=
PI_COMM_WORLD) failed</span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_Bcast_impl(1452).............=
..........: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_Bcast(1476)..................=
..........: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_Bcast_intra(1249)............=
..........: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_SMP_Bcast(1081)..............=
..........: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_Bcast_binomial(285)..........=
..........: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIC_Send(303)....................=
..........: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIC_Wait(226)....................=
..........: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIDI_CH3i_Progress_wait(242).....=
..........: an error occurred while handling an event returned by MPIDU_Soc=
k_Wait()</span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIDI_CH3I_Progress_handle_sock_ev=
ent(698)..: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIDI_CH3_Sockconn_handle_connect_=
event(597): [ch3:sock] failed to connnect to remote process</span></i></div=
>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIDU_Socki_handle_connect(808)...=
..........: connection failure (set=3D0,sock=3D1,errno=3D111:Connection ref=
used)</span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_SMP_Bcast(1088)..............=
..........: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_Bcast_binomial(310)..........=
..........: Failure during collective</span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Fatal error in PMPI_Bcast: Other M=
PI error, error stack: </span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">PMPI_Bcast(1600)........: MPI_Bcas=
t(buf=3D0x7ffe2eeb90f0, count=3D1, MPI_INT, root=3D0, MPI_COMM_WORLD) faile=
d</span></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_Bcast_impl(1452)...: </s=
pan></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_Bcast(1476)........: </s=
pan></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_Bcast_intra(1249)..: </s=
pan></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_SMP_Bcast(1088)....: </s=
pan></i></div>
<div><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_Bcast_binomial(310): Failure =
during collective</span></i></div>
<br>
<p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0">Again if I configure the new sour=
ce with tcp, it works fine.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0">Thank You.<br>
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=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000"><b>From: </b> Min Si <msi(a)anl.=
gov><br>
<b>Sent: </b> Monday, July 2, 2018 11:56:51 AM<br>
<b>To: </b> discuss(a)mpich.org<br>
<b>Subject: </b> Re: [mpich-discuss] osu_latency test: why 8KB takes less ti=
me than 4KB and 2KB takes less time than 1KB?</font>
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<div style=3D"background-color: #FFFFFF">Hi Abu,<br>
<br>
Thanks for reporting this. Can you please try the latest release with ch3/s=
ock and see if you still have this error ?
<br>
<br>
Min<br>
<div class=3D"x_moz-cite-prefix">On 2018/07/01 21: 47, Abu Naser wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div id=3D"x_divtagdefaultwrapper" dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"font-size: 12pt; co=
lor: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, "Emoji=
Font", "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", Noto=
ColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSy=
mbols;">
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<p style=3D"">Hello Min,</p>
<p style=3D""><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"">After compiling my mpich-3.2.1 with sock, while I was trying =
to run any program including osu benchmark or examples/cpi&=
nbsp; in two machines, I have received following error -</p>
<p style=3D""><br>
</p>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">Process 3 of 4 is on dhcp=
16194</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">Process 1 of 4 is on dhcp=
16194</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">Process 0 of 4 is on dhcp=
16198</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">Process 2 of 4 is on dhcp=
16198</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">Fatal error in PMPI_Bcast=
: Unknown error class, error stack:</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">PMPI_Bcast(1600).........=
...................: MPI_Bcast(buf=3D0x7ffc1808542c, count=3D1, MPI_INT, ro=
ot=3D0, MPI_COMM_WORLD) failed</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_impl(1452)....=
...................: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast(1476).........=
...................: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_intra(1249)...=
...................: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_SMP_Bcast(1081).....=
...................: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_binomial(285).=
...................: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIC_Send(303)...........=
...................: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIC_Wait(226)...........=
...................: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIDI_CH3i_Progress_wait(=
242)...............: an error occurred while handling an event returned by =
MPIDU_Sock_Wait()</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIDI_CH3I_Progress_handl=
e_sock_event(698)..: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIDI_CH3_Sockconn_handle=
_connect_event(597): [ch3:sock] failed to connnect to remote process</span>=
</i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIDU_Socki_handle_connec=
t(808).............: connection failure (set=3D0,sock=3D1,errno=3D111:Conne=
ction refused)</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_SMP_Bcast(1088).....=
...................: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_binomial(310).=
...................: Failure during collective</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">Fatal error in PMPI_Bcast=
: Other MPI error, error stack:</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">PMPI_Bcast(1600)........:=
MPI_Bcast(buf=3D0x7ffd9eeebdac, count=3D1, MPI_INT, root=3D0, MPI_COMM_WOR=
LD) failed</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_impl(1452)...:=
</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast(1476)........:=
</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_intra(1249)..:=
</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_SMP_Bcast(1088)....:=
</span></i></div>
<div style=3D""><i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt">MPIR_Bcast_binomial(310):=
Failure during collective</span></i></div>
<br style=3D"">
<p style=3D""></p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt">I checked the mpich FAQ a=
nd also mpich discussion list. Based on that I have checked </span>fol=
lowings<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt"> </span><span style=3D"font-size=
: 12pt">and found they are fine in my machines -</span><br>
</p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt">- firewall is disabled in both=
machine</span></p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt">- I can do </span>passwor=
d less<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt"> ssh in both machine</span></p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt">- /etc/hosts in both machine c=
onfigured with ip address and name properly</span></p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt">- I have updated the library p=
ath and used absolute path for mpiexec</span></p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt">- Most importantly when I conf=
igured and build mpich with tcp, it works fine.</span></p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt"><br>
</span></p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt"> I think I am </span=
><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt">missing something but could not figure out =
yet. Any help would be
</span>appreciated<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt">.</span></p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt"><br>
</span></p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt">Thank you.</span></p>
<br>
<p style=3D""><br>
</p>
<p style=3D""><br>
</p>
<p style=3D""><br>
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ica,sans-serif">Best Regards,</span></p>
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt"></=
span>
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etica,sans-serif"></span></div>
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span>
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ica,sans-serif">Abu Naser</span><br>
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=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000"><b>From: </b> Min Si
<a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E OWAAutoLink" href=3D"mailto: msi(a)anl.gov=
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<msi(a)anl.gov></a><br>
<b>Sent: </b> Tuesday, June 26, 2018 12:54:29 PM<br>
<b>To: </b> <a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated OWAAutoLink" href=3D"mail=
to: discuss(a)mpich.org" id=3D"LPlnk414203" previewremoved=3D"true">
discuss(a)mpich.org</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b> Re: [mpich-discuss] osu_latency test: why 8KB takes less ti=
me than 4KB and 2KB takes less time than 1KB?</font>
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<div style=3D"background-color: #FFFFFF">Hi Abu,<br>
<br>
I think the results are stable enough. Perhaps you could also try the follo=
wing tests, and see if similar trend exists: <br>
- MPICH/socket (set `--with-device=3Dch3: sock` at configure)<br>
- A socket-based pingpong test without MPI. <br>
<br>
At this point, I could not think of any MPI-specific design for 2k/8k messa=
ges. My guess is that it is related to your network connection.
<br>
<br>
Min<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"x_x_moz-cite-prefix">On 2018/06/24 11: 09, Abu Naser wrote:<br=
>
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<p>Hello Min and Jeff,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Here is my experiment results. Default number of iterations in osu_=
latency for 0B =96 8KB is 10,000. With that setting I had run the osu_laten=
cy 100 times and found standard deviation 33 for 8KB message size.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>So later I have set the iteration to 50,000 and 100,000 for 1KB =96 16KB=
message size. Then run osu_latency for 100 times for each setting and take=
the average and standard deviation.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<table width=3D"665">
<colgroup><col width=3D"99"><col width=3D"112"><col width=3D"118"><col widt=
h=3D"154"><col width=3D"140"></colgroup>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td width=3D"99">
<p><b>Msg Size in Bytes</b></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112">
<p><b>Avg time in us (50K iterations)</b></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118">
<p><b>Avg time in us (100k iterations)</b></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154">
<p><b>Standard deviation (50K iterations)</b></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140">
<p><b>Standard deviation (100K iterations)</b></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width=3D"99">
<p>1k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112">
<p>85.10</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118">
<p>84.9</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154">
<p>0.55</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140">
<p>0.45</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width=3D"99">
<p>2k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112">
<p>75.79</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118">
<p>74.63</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154">
<p>5.09</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140">
<p>4.44</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width=3D"99">
<p>4k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112">
<p>273.80</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118">
<p>274.71</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154">
<p>4.18</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140">
<p>2.45</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width=3D"99">
<p>8k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112">
<p>258.56</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118">
<p>249.83</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154">
<p>21.14</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140">
<p>28</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width=3D"99" height=3D"24">
<p>16k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112">
<p>281.31</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118">
<p>281.02</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154">
<p>3.22</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140">
<p>4.10</p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>The standard deviation of 8K message is so high and that implies it actu=
ally not producing any consistent latency time. Looks like that's the =
reason for 8K is taking less time than 4K.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Meanwhile, 2K has standard deviation less than 5 but 1K message latency =
timing are more densely populated than 2K. So probably this is the explanat=
ion for 2K message less latency time.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Thank you for your suggestions.</p>
<br>
<p><br>
</p>
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<p><span>Best Regards,</span></p>
<span></span>
<div><span></span></div>
<span></span>
<p><span>Abu Naser</span><br>
</p>
</div>
</div>
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<b>Sent: </b> Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:48:53 PM<br>
<b>To: </b> <a class=3D"x_x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated x_OWAAutoLink" href=3D"=
mailto: discuss(a)mpich.org" id=3D"LPlnk729146" previewremoved=3D"true">
discuss(a)mpich.org</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b> Re: [mpich-discuss] osu_latency test: why 8KB takes less ti=
me than 4KB and 2KB takes less time than 1KB?
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<p>Hello Min,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification. I will do the experiment.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
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<p>Thanks.</p>
<p><span>Best Regards,</span></p>
<span></span>
<div><span></span></div>
<span></span>
<p><span>Abu Naser</span><br>
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<b>Subject: </b> Re: [mpich-discuss] osu_latency test: why 8KB takes less ti=
me than 4KB and 2KB takes less time than 1KB?
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<div>Hi Abu,<br>
<br>
I think Jeff means that you should run your experiment with more iterations=
in order to get a stable results.<br>
- Increase the iteration of for loop in each execution (I think osu benchma=
rk allows you to set it)<br>
- Run the experiments 10 or 100 times, and take the average and standard de=
viation.<br>
<br>
If you see a very small standard deviation (e.g., <=3D5%), then the tren=
d is stable and you might not see such gaps.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Min<br>
<div class=3D"x_x_x_x_moz-cite-prefix">On 2018/06/20 12: 14, Abu Naser wrote=
: <br>
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<p>Hello Jeff,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Yes, I am using a switch and other machines are also connected with=
that switch.
<br>
</p>
<p>If I remove other machines and just use my two node with the switch, the=
n will it improve the performance by 200 ~ 400 iterations?</p>
<p>Meanwhile I will give a try with a single dedicated cable. <span></span>=
<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Thank you.<br>
</p>
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<p><span>Best Regards,</span></p>
<span></span>
<div><span></span></div>
<span></span>
<p><span>Abu Naser</span><br>
</p>
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ff.science(a)gmail.com" id=3D"LPlnk983157" previewremoved=3D"true">
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<b>To: </b> MPICH<br>
<b>Subject: </b> Re: [mpich-discuss] osu_latency test: why 8KB takes less ti=
me than 4KB and 2KB takes less time than 1KB?
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Is the ethernet connection a single dedicated cable betwee=
n the two machines or are you running through a switch that handles other t=
raffic?
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<div>My best guess is that this is noise and that you may be able to avoid =
it by running a very long time, e.g. 10000 iterations.</div>
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<div>Jeff</div>
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<div class=3D"x_x_x_x_x_gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 6: 53 AM, Abu N=
aser <span dir=3D"ltr">
<<a href=3D"mailto: an16e(a)my.fsu.edu" target=3D"_blank" id=3D"LPlnk305789=
" class=3D"x_x_x_OWAAutoLink" previewremoved=3D"true">an16e(a)my.fsu.edu</a>&=
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<p><br>
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<p>Good day to all,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I had run point to point osu_latency test in two nodes for 200 times.&nb=
sp; Followings are the average time in microsecond for various size of the =
messages -</p>
<div>1KB 84.8514 us<br>
<span>2KB 73.52535</span> us<br>
4KB 272.55275 us<br>
<span>8KB 234.86385</span> us<br>
16KB 288.88 us<br>
32KB 523.3725 us<br>
64KB 910.4025 us</div>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>From the above looks like, 2KB message has less latency than 1 KB and 8K=
B has less latency than 4KB.
<br>
</p>
<p>I was looking for explanation of this behavior but did not get any=
.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<ol>
<li><span>MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_<wbr>SIZE</span><span> is set to 128K=
B. So none of the above message size is using Rendezvous protocol. Is there=
any partition inside eager protocol (e.g. 0 - 512 bytes, 1KB - 8KB, 16KB -=
64KB)? If yes then what are the
boundaries for them? Can I log them with debug-event-logging? </span><br>
</li></ol>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Setup I am using: </p>
<p>- two nodes has intel core i7, one with 16gb memory another one 8gb</p>
<p>- mpich 3.2.1, configured and build to use nemesis tcp</p>
<p>- 1gb Ethernet connection</p>
<p>- NFS is using for sharing<br>
</p>
<p>- osu_latency: uses MPI_Send and MPI_Recv</p>
<p>- <span>MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_<wbr>SIZE</span>=3D <span>131072</sp=
an> (128KB)<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Can anyone help me on that? Thanks in advance.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
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<p><br>
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<p><span>Best Regards,</span></p>
<span></span>
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as less latency than 4KB.
I was looking for explanation of this behavior but did not get any.
1. MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_SIZE is set to 128KB. So none of the abov=
e message size is using Rendezvous protocol. Is there any partition inside =
eager protocol (e.g. 0 - 512 bytes, 1KB - 8KB, 16KB - 64KB)? If yes then wh=
at are the boundaries for them? Can I log them with debug-event-logging?
Setup I am using:
- two nodes has intel core i7, one with 16gb memory another one 8gb
- mpich 3.2.1, configured and build to use nemesis tcp
- 1gb Ethernet connection
- NFS is using for sharing
- osu_latency: uses MPI_Send and MPI_Recv
- MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_SIZE=3D 131072 (128KB)
Can anyone help me on that? Thanks in advance.
Best Regards,
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After compiling my mpich-3.2.1 with sock, while I was trying to run a=
ny program including osu benchmark or examples/cpi in two m=
achines, I have received following error -</p>
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jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Process 3 of 4 is on dhcp16194</span></=
i></div>
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<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Process 1 of 4 is on dhcp16194</span></=
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jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Process 0 of 4 is on dhcp16198</span></=
i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Process 2 of 4 is on dhcp16198</span></=
i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Fatal error in PMPI_Bcast: Unknown erro=
r class, error stack: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">PMPI_Bcast(1600).......................=
.....: MPI_Bcast(buf=3D0x7ffc1808542c, count=3D1, MPI_INT, root=3D0, MPI_CO=
MM_WORLD) failed</span></i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_Bcast_impl(1452)..................=
.....: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_Bcast(1476).......................=
.....: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_Bcast_intra(1249).................=
.....: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_SMP_Bcast(1081)...................=
.....: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_Bcast_binomial(285)...............=
.....: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIC_Send(303).........................=
.....: </span></i></div>
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rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIC_Wait(226).........................=
.....: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIDI_CH3i_Progress_wait(242)..........=
.....: an error occurred while handling an event returned by MPIDU_Sock_Wai=
t()</span></i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIDI_CH3I_Progress_handle_sock_event(6=
98)..: </span></i></div>
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rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIDI_CH3_Sockconn_handle_connect_event=
(597): [ch3:sock] failed to connnect to remote process</span></i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIDU_Socki_handle_connect(808)........=
.....: connection failure (set=3D0,sock=3D1,errno=3D111:Connection refused)=
</span></i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_SMP_Bcast(1088)...................=
.....: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_Bcast_binomial(310)...............=
.....: Failure during collective</span></i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">Fatal error in PMPI_Bcast: Other MPI er=
ror, error stack: </span></i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">PMPI_Bcast(1600)........: MPI_Bcast(buf=
=3D0x7ffd9eeebdac, count=3D1, MPI_INT, root=3D0, MPI_COMM_WORLD) failed</sp=
an></i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_Bcast_impl(1452)...: </span><=
/i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_Bcast(1476)........: </span><=
/i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_Bcast_intra(1249)..: </span><=
/i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_SMP_Bcast(1088)....: </span><=
/i></div>
<div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-se=
rif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", =
NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emo=
jiSymbols; font-size: 16px;">
<i><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt;">MPIR_Bcast_binomial(310): Failure durin=
g collective</span></i></div>
<br style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "=
Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "=
Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: =
16px;">
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", No=
toColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emoji=
Symbols; font-size: 12pt;">
</p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", No=
toColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emoji=
Symbols; font-size: 16px;">
<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">I checked the mpich FAQ and also mpic=
h discussion list. Based on that I have checked </span>followings<span=
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"> </span><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">a=
nd found they are fine in my machines -</span><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", No=
toColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emoji=
Symbols; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">- firewall is disabled in both machine</sp=
an></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", No=
toColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emoji=
Symbols; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">- I can do </span>password less<span =
style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"> ssh in both machine</span></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", No=
toColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emoji=
Symbols; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">- /etc/hosts in both machine configured wi=
th ip address and name properly</span></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", No=
toColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emoji=
Symbols; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">- I have updated the library path and used=
absolute path for mpiexec</span></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", No=
toColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emoji=
Symbols; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">- Most importantly when I configured and b=
uild mpich with tcp, it works fine.</span></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", No=
toColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emoji=
Symbols; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><br>
</span></p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"> I think I am </sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">missing something but could not figure =
out yet. Any help would be
</span>appreciated<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">.</span></p>
<p style=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;"><br>
</span></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", No=
toColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emoji=
Symbols; font-size: 12pt;">
<span style=3D"font-size: 12pt;">Thank you.</span></p>
<br>
<p></p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", No=
toColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emoji=
Symbols; font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">
<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", No=
toColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emoji=
Symbols; font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">
<br>
</p>
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f, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", No=
toColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", Emoji=
Symbols; font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">
<br>
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<p align=3D"left"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family:Calibri,Helvet=
ica,sans-serif">Best Regards,</span></p>
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span>
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etica,sans-serif"></span></div>
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span>
<p align=3D"left"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family:Calibri,Helvet=
ica,sans-serif">Abu Naser</span><br>
</p>
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yle=3D"font-size: 11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Min Si <msi(a)anl.go=
v><br>
<b>Sent: </b> Tuesday, June 26, 2018 12:54:29 PM<br>
<b>To: </b> discuss(a)mpich.org<br>
<b>Subject: </b> Re: [mpich-discuss] osu_latency test: why 8KB takes less ti=
me than 4KB and 2KB takes less time than 1KB?</font>
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<div style=3D"background-color: #FFFFFF">Hi Abu,<br>
<br>
I think the results are stable enough. Perhaps you could also try the follo=
wing tests, and see if similar trend exists: <br>
- MPICH/socket (set `--with-device=3Dch3: sock` at configure)<br>
- A socket-based pingpong test without MPI. <br>
<br>
At this point, I could not think of any MPI-specific design for 2k/8k messa=
ges. My guess is that it is related to your network connection.
<br>
<br>
Min<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"x_moz-cite-prefix">On 2018/06/24 11: 09, Abu Naser wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
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<p>Hello Min and Jeff,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Here is my experiment results. Default number of iterations in osu_=
latency for 0B =96 8KB is 10,000. With that setting I had run the osu_laten=
cy 100 times and found standard deviation 33 for 8KB message size.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>So later I have set the iteration to 50,000 and 100,000 for 1KB =96 16KB=
message size. Then run osu_latency for 100 times for each setting and take=
the average and standard deviation.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<table width=3D"665">
<colgroup><col width=3D"99"><col width=3D"112"><col width=3D"118"><col widt=
h=3D"154"><col width=3D"140"></colgroup>
<tbody>
<tr>
<td width=3D"99">
<p><b>Msg Size in Bytes</b></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112">
<p><b>Avg time in us (50K iterations)</b></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118">
<p><b>Avg time in us (100k iterations)</b></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154">
<p><b>Standard deviation (50K iterations)</b></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140">
<p><b>Standard deviation (100K iterations)</b></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width=3D"99">
<p>1k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112">
<p>85.10</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118">
<p>84.9</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154">
<p>0.55</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140">
<p>0.45</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width=3D"99">
<p>2k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112">
<p>75.79</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118">
<p>74.63</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154">
<p>5.09</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140">
<p>4.44</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width=3D"99">
<p>4k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112">
<p>273.80</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118">
<p>274.71</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154">
<p>4.18</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140">
<p>2.45</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td width=3D"99">
<p>8k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112">
<p>258.56</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118">
<p>249.83</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154">
<p>21.14</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140">
<p>28</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td height=3D"24" width=3D"99">
<p>16k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112">
<p>281.31</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118">
<p>281.02</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154">
<p>3.22</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140">
<p>4.10</p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>The standard deviation of 8K message is so high and that implies it actu=
ally not producing any consistent latency time. Looks like that's the =
reason for 8K is taking less time than 4K.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Meanwhile, 2K has standard deviation less than 5 but 1K message latency =
timing are more densely populated than 2K. So probably this is the explanat=
ion for 2K message less latency time.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Thank you for your suggestions.</p>
<br>
<p><br>
</p>
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<p><br>
</p>
<p><span>Best Regards,</span></p>
<span></span>
<div><span></span></div>
<span></span>
<p><span>Abu Naser</span><br>
</p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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<div id=3D"x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><b>From: </b> Abu Naser<br>
<b>Sent: </b> Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:48:53 PM<br>
<b>To: </b> <a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated OWAAutoLink" href=3D"mail=
to: discuss(a)mpich.org" id=3D"LPlnk729146" previewremoved=3D"true">
discuss(a)mpich.org</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b> Re: [mpich-discuss] osu_latency test: why 8KB takes less ti=
me than 4KB and 2KB takes less time than 1KB?
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<p>Hello Min,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarification. I will do the experiment.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
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<p>Thanks.</p>
<p><span>Best Regards,</span></p>
<span></span>
<div><span></span></div>
<span></span>
<p><span>Abu Naser</span><br>
</p>
</div>
</div>
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_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E OWAAutoLink" href=3D"mailto: msi(a)anl.gov" id=3D"LPlnk=
558260" previewremoved=3D"true">
<msi(a)anl.gov></a><br>
<b>Sent: </b> Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:39:30 PM<br>
<b>To: </b> <a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-abbreviated OWAAutoLink" href=3D"mail=
to: discuss(a)mpich.org" id=3D"LPlnk472728" previewremoved=3D"true">
discuss(a)mpich.org</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b> Re: [mpich-discuss] osu_latency test: why 8KB takes less ti=
me than 4KB and 2KB takes less time than 1KB?
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<meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3DWindows-1252">
<div>Hi Abu,<br>
<br>
I think Jeff means that you should run your experiment with more iterations=
in order to get a stable results.<br>
- Increase the iteration of for loop in each execution (I think osu benchma=
rk allows you to set it)<br>
- Run the experiments 10 or 100 times, and take the average and standard de=
viation.<br>
<br>
If you see a very small standard deviation (e.g., <=3D5%), then the tren=
d is stable and you might not see such gaps.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Min<br>
<div class=3D"x_x_x_moz-cite-prefix">On 2018/06/20 12: 14, Abu Naser wrote:<=
br>
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<p>Hello Jeff,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Yes, I am using a switch and other machines are also connected with=
that switch.
<br>
</p>
<p>If I remove other machines and just use my two node with the switch, the=
n will it improve the performance by 200 ~ 400 iterations?</p>
<p>Meanwhile I will give a try with a single dedicated cable. <span></span>=
<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Thank you.<br>
</p>
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<p><br>
</p>
<p><span>Best Regards,</span></p>
<span></span>
<div><span></span></div>
<span></span>
<p><span>Abu Naser</span><br>
</p>
</div>
</div>
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ass=3D"x_x_x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E x_x_OWAAutoLink" href=3D"mailto: jeff.sci=
ence(a)gmail.com" id=3D"LPlnk983157" previewremoved=3D"true">
<jeff.science(a)gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Sent: </b> Wednesday, June 20, 2018 12:52:06 PM<br>
<b>To: </b> MPICH<br>
<b>Subject: </b> Re: [mpich-discuss] osu_latency test: why 8KB takes less ti=
me than 4KB and 2KB takes less time than 1KB?
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<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Is the ethernet connection a single dedicated cable betwee=
n the two machines or are you running through a switch that handles other t=
raffic?
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My best guess is that this is noise and that you may be able to avoid =
it by running a very long time, e.g. 10000 iterations.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jeff</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_x_x_gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"x_x_x_x_gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 6: 53 AM, Abu Nas=
er <span dir=3D"ltr">
<<a href=3D"mailto: an16e(a)my.fsu.edu" target=3D"_blank" id=3D"LPlnk305789=
" class=3D"x_x_OWAAutoLink" previewremoved=3D"true">an16e(a)my.fsu.edu</a>>=
;</span> wrote: <br>
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<p><br>
</p>
<p>Good day to all,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I had run point to point osu_latency test in two nodes for 200 times.&nb=
sp; Followings are the average time in microsecond for various size of the =
messages -</p>
<div>1KB 84.8514 us<br>
<span>2KB 73.52535</span> us<br>
4KB 272.55275 us<br>
<span>8KB 234.86385</span> us<br>
16KB 288.88 us<br>
32KB 523.3725 us<br>
64KB 910.4025 us</div>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>From the above looks like, 2KB message has less latency than 1 KB and 8K=
B has less latency than 4KB.
<br>
</p>
<p>I was looking for explanation of this behavior but did not get any=
.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<ol>
<li><span>MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_<wbr>SIZE</span><span> is set to 128K=
B. So none of the above message size is using Rendezvous protocol. Is there=
any partition inside eager protocol (e.g. 0 - 512 bytes, 1KB - 8KB, 16KB -=
64KB)? If yes then what are the
boundaries for them? Can I log them with debug-event-logging? </span><br>
</li></ol>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Setup I am using: </p>
<p>- two nodes has intel core i7, one with 16gb memory another one 8gb</p>
<p>- mpich 3.2.1, configured and build to use nemesis tcp</p>
<p>- 1gb Ethernet connection</p>
<p>- NFS is using for sharing<br>
</p>
<p>- osu_latency: uses MPI_Send and MPI_Recv</p>
<p>- <span>MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_<wbr>SIZE</span>=3D <span>131072</sp=
an> (128KB)<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Can anyone help me on that? Thanks in advance.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
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</p>
<p><span>Best Regards,</span></p>
<span></span>
<div><span></span></div>
<span></span>
<p><span>Abu Naser</span><br>
</p>
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as less latency than 4KB.
I was looking for explanation of this behavior but did not get any.
1. MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_SIZE is set to 128KB. So none of the abov=
e message size is using Rendezvous protocol. Is there any partition inside =
eager protocol (e.g. 0 - 512 bytes, 1KB - 8KB, 16KB - 64KB)? If yes then wh=
at are the boundaries for them? Can I log them with debug-event-logging?
Setup I am using:
- two nodes has intel core i7, one with 16gb memory another one 8gb
- mpich 3.2.1, configured and build to use nemesis tcp
- 1gb Ethernet connection
- NFS is using for sharing
- osu_latency: uses MPI_Send and MPI_Recv
- MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_SIZE=3D 131072 (128KB)
Can anyone help me on that? Thanks in advance.
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<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0">Hello Min and Jeff,</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0"></p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%">Here is my experiment re=
sults. Default number of iterations in osu_latency for 0B =96 8KB is 1=
0,000. With that setting I had run the osu_latency 100 times and found stan=
dard deviation 33 for 8KB message size.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%">So later I have set the =
iteration to 50,000 and 100,000 for 1KB =96 16KB message size. Then run osu=
_latency for 100 times for each setting and take the average and standard d=
eviation.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%"><br>
</p>
<table width=3D"665" cellpadding=3D"4" cellspacing=3D"0">
<colgroup><col width=3D"99"><col width=3D"112"><col width=3D"118"><col widt=
h=3D"154"><col width=3D"140"></colgroup>
<tbody>
<tr valign=3D"top">
<td width=3D"99" style=3D"border-top: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom: 1px=
solid #000000; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding=
-top: 0.04in; padding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: =
0in">
<p align=3D"center"><b>Msg Size in Bytes</b></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112" style=3D"border-top: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom: 1p=
x solid #000000; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; paddin=
g-top: 0.04in; padding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right:=
0in">
<p align=3D"center"><b>Avg time in us (50K iterations)</b></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118" style=3D"border-top: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom: 1p=
x solid #000000; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; paddin=
g-top: 0.04in; padding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right:=
0in">
<p align=3D"center"><b>Avg time in us (100k iterations)</b></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154" style=3D"border-top: 1px solid #000000; border-bottom: 1p=
x solid #000000; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; paddin=
g-top: 0.04in; padding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right:=
0in">
<p align=3D"center"><b>Standard deviation (50K iterations)</b></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140" style=3D"border: 1px solid #000000; padding: 0.04in">
<p align=3D"center"><b>Standard deviation (100K iterations)</b></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign=3D"top">
<td width=3D"99" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #00000=
0; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0in; pa=
dding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0in">
<p align=3D"center">1k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0in; p=
adding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0in">
<p align=3D"center">85.10</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0in; p=
adding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0in">
<p align=3D"center">84.9</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0in; p=
adding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0in">
<p align=3D"center">0.55</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: 1px solid #000000; paddin=
g-top: 0in; padding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0.=
04in">
<p align=3D"center">0.45</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign=3D"top">
<td width=3D"99" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #00000=
0; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0in; pa=
dding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0in">
<p align=3D"center">2k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0in; p=
adding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0in">
<p align=3D"center">75.79</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0in; p=
adding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0in">
<p align=3D"center">74.63</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0in; p=
adding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0in">
<p align=3D"center"><font color=3D"#ff0000">5.09</font></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: 1px solid #000000; paddin=
g-top: 0in; padding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0.=
04in">
<p align=3D"center"><font color=3D"#ff0000">4.44</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign=3D"top">
<td width=3D"99" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #00000=
0; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0in; pa=
dding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0in">
<p align=3D"center">4k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0in; p=
adding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0in">
<p align=3D"center">273.80</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0in; p=
adding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0in">
<p align=3D"center">274.71</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0in; p=
adding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0in">
<p align=3D"center">4.18</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: 1px solid #000000; paddin=
g-top: 0in; padding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0.=
04in">
<p align=3D"center">2.45</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign=3D"top">
<td width=3D"99" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #00000=
0; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0in; pa=
dding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0in">
<p align=3D"center">8k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0in; p=
adding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0in">
<p align=3D"center">258.56</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0in; p=
adding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0in">
<p align=3D"center">249.83</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0in; p=
adding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0in">
<p align=3D"center"><font color=3D"#ff0000">21.14</font></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: 1px solid #000000; paddin=
g-top: 0in; padding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0.=
04in">
<p align=3D"center"><font color=3D"#ff0000">28</font></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign=3D"top">
<td width=3D"99" height=3D"24" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1p=
x solid #000000; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; paddin=
g-top: 0in; padding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0i=
n">
<p align=3D"center">16k</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"112" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0in; p=
adding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0in">
<p align=3D"center">281.31</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"118" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0in; p=
adding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0in">
<p align=3D"center">281.02</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"154" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: none; padding-top: 0in; p=
adding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0in">
<p align=3D"center">3.22</p>
</td>
<td width=3D"140" style=3D"border-top: none; border-bottom: 1px solid #0000=
00; border-left: 1px solid #000000; border-right: 1px solid #000000; paddin=
g-top: 0in; padding-bottom: 0.04in; padding-left: 0.04in; padding-right: 0.=
04in">
<p align=3D"center">4.10</p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%">The standard deviation o=
f 8K message is so high and that implies it actually not producing any cons=
istent latency time. Looks like that's the reason for 8K is taking les=
s time than 4K.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%">Meanwhile, 2K has standa=
rd deviation less than 5 but 1K message latency timing are more densely pop=
ulated than 2K. So probably this is the explanation for 2K message less lat=
ency time.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-bottom: 0in; line-height: 100%">Thank you for your sugge=
stions.</p>
<br>
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yle=3D"font-size: 11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Abu Naser<br>
<b>Sent: </b> Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:48:53 PM<br>
<b>To: </b> discuss(a)mpich.org<br>
<b>Subject: </b> Re: [mpich-discuss] osu_latency test: why 8KB takes less ti=
me than 4KB and 2KB takes less time than 1KB?</font>
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<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Thanks for the clarification.&nb=
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<p>Thanks.</p>
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gov><br>
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<div style=3D"background-color: #FFFFFF">Hi Abu,<br>
<br>
I think Jeff means that you should run your experiment with more iterations=
in order to get a stable results.<br>
- Increase the iteration of for loop in each execution (I think osu benchma=
rk allows you to set it)<br>
- Run the experiments 10 or 100 times, and take the average and standard de=
viation.<br>
<br>
If you see a very small standard deviation (e.g., <=3D5%), then the tren=
d is stable and you might not see such gaps.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Min<br>
<div class=3D"x_x_moz-cite-prefix">On 2018/06/20 12: 14, Abu Naser wrote:<br=
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<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Hello Jeff,</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Yes, I am using a switch and oth=
er machines are also connected with that switch.
<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">If I remove other machines and j=
ust use my two node with the switch, then will it improve the performance b=
y 200 ~ 400 iterations?</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Meanwhile I will give a try with=
a single dedicated cable.
<span></span><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Thank you.<br>
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<b>To: </b> MPICH<br>
<b>Subject: </b> Re: [mpich-discuss] osu_latency test: why 8KB takes less ti=
me than 4KB and 2KB takes less time than 1KB?</font>
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n the two machines or are you running through a switch that handles other t=
raffic?
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My best guess is that this is noise and that you may be able to avoid =
it by running a very long time, e.g. 10000 iterations.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jeff</div>
</div>
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<div class=3D"x_x_x_gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 6: 53 AM, Abu Naser=
<span dir=3D"ltr">
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/span> wrote: <br>
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<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Good day to all,</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">I had run point to point osu_lat=
ency test in two nodes for 200 times. Followings are the average time=
in microsecond for various size of the messages -</p>
<div>1KB 84.8514 us<br>
<span style=3D"color: rgb(255,0,0)">2KB 73.52535</span> us=
<br>
4KB 272.55275 us<br>
<span style=3D"color: rgb(255,0,0)">8KB 234.86385</span> u=
s<br>
16KB 288.88 us<br>
32KB 523.3725 us<br>
64KB 910.4025 us</div>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">From the above looks like, 2KB m=
essage has less latency than 1 KB and 8KB has less latency than 4KB.
<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">I was looking for explanation of=
this behavior but did not get any.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<ol style=3D"margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top:0px">
<li><span>MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_<wbr>SIZE</span><span> is set to 128K=
B. So none of the above message size is using Rendezvous protocol. Is there=
any partition inside eager protocol (e.g. 0 - 512 bytes, 1KB - 8KB, 16KB -=
64KB)? If yes then what are the
boundaries for them? Can I log them with debug-event-logging? </span><br>
</li></ol>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Setup I am using:</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- two nodes has intel core i7, o=
ne with 16gb memory another one 8gb</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- mpich 3.2.1, configured and bu=
ild to use nemesis tcp</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- 1gb Ethernet connection</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- NFS is using for sharing<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- osu_latency : uses MPI_Send an=
d MPI_Recv</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- <span>MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_=
MSG_<wbr>SIZE</span>=3D
<span>131072</span> (128KB)<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Can anyone help me on that? Than=
ks in advance.<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
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as less latency than 4KB.
I was looking for explanation of this behavior but did not get any.
1. MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_SIZE is set to 128KB. So none of the abov=
e message size is using Rendezvous protocol. Is there any partition inside =
eager protocol (e.g. 0 - 512 bytes, 1KB - 8KB, 16KB - 64KB)? If yes then wh=
at are the boundaries for them? Can I log them with debug-event-logging?
Setup I am using:
- two nodes has intel core i7, one with 16gb memory another one 8gb
- mpich 3.2.1, configured and build to use nemesis tcp
- 1gb Ethernet connection
- NFS is using for sharing
- osu_latency: uses MPI_Send and MPI_Recv
- MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_SIZE=3D 131072 (128KB)
Can anyone help me on that? Thanks in advance.
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<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0">Thanks for the clarification.&nbs=
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ica,sans-serif">Best Regards,</span></p>
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=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000"><b>From: </b> Min Si <msi(a)anl.=
gov><br>
<b>Sent: </b> Wednesday, June 20, 2018 1:39:30 PM<br>
<b>To: </b> discuss(a)mpich.org<br>
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me than 4KB and 2KB takes less time than 1KB?</font>
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<div style=3D"background-color: #FFFFFF">Hi Abu,<br>
<br>
I think Jeff means that you should run your experiment with more iterations=
in order to get a stable results.<br>
- Increase the iteration of for loop in each execution (I think osu benchma=
rk allows you to set it)<br>
- Run the experiments 10 or 100 times, and take the average and standard de=
viation.<br>
<br>
If you see a very small standard deviation (e.g., <=3D5%), then the tren=
d is stable and you might not see such gaps.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Min<br>
<div class=3D"x_moz-cite-prefix">On 2018/06/20 12: 14, Abu Naser wrote:<br>
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ColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSy=
mbols;">
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Hello Jeff,</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Yes, I am using a switch and oth=
er machines are also connected with that switch.
<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">If I remove other machines and j=
ust use my two node with the switch, then will it improve the performance b=
y 200 ~ 400 iterations?</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Meanwhile I will give a try with=
a single dedicated cable.
<span></span><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Thank you.<br>
</p>
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<p><br>
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ica,sans-serif">Best Regards,</span></p>
<span style=3D"font-family: Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:10pt"></=
span>
<div align=3D"left"><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family:Calibri,Helv=
etica,sans-serif"></span></div>
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span>
<p align=3D"left"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family:Calibri,Helvet=
ica,sans-serif">Abu Naser</span><br>
</p>
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</div>
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<div id=3D"x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"font-size: 11pt" face=
=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000"><b>From: </b> Jeff Hammond
<a class=3D"x_moz-txt-link-rfc2396E OWAAutoLink" href=3D"mailto: jeff.scienc=
e(a)gmail.com" id=3D"LPlnk983157" previewremoved=3D"true">
<jeff.science(a)gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Sent: </b> Wednesday, June 20, 2018 12:52:06 PM<br>
<b>To: </b> MPICH<br>
<b>Subject: </b> Re: [mpich-discuss] osu_latency test: why 8KB takes less ti=
me than 4KB and 2KB takes less time than 1KB?</font>
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<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Is the ethernet connection a single dedicated cable betwee=
n the two machines or are you running through a switch that handles other t=
raffic?
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My best guess is that this is noise and that you may be able to avoid =
it by running a very long time, e.g. 10000 iterations.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Jeff</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"x_x_gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"x_x_gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 6: 53 AM, Abu Naser <=
span dir=3D"ltr">
<<a href=3D"mailto: an16e(a)my.fsu.edu" target=3D"_blank" id=3D"LPlnk305789=
" class=3D"OWAAutoLink" previewremoved=3D"true">an16e(a)my.fsu.edu</a>></s=
pan> wrote: <br>
<blockquote class=3D"x_x_gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-le=
ft: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left:1ex">
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=3D"">
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Good day to all,</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">I had run point to point osu_lat=
ency test in two nodes for 200 times. Followings are the average time=
in microsecond for various size of the messages -</p>
<div>1KB 84.8514 us<br>
<span style=3D"color: rgb(255,0,0)">2KB 73.52535</span> us=
<br>
4KB 272.55275 us<br>
<span style=3D"color: rgb(255,0,0)">8KB 234.86385</span> u=
s<br>
16KB 288.88 us<br>
32KB 523.3725 us<br>
64KB 910.4025 us</div>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">From the above looks like, 2KB m=
essage has less latency than 1 KB and 8KB has less latency than 4KB.
<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">I was looking for explanation of=
this behavior but did not get any.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<ol style=3D"margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top:0px">
<li><span>MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_<wbr>SIZE</span><span> is set to 128K=
B. So none of the above message size is using Rendezvous protocol. Is there=
any partition inside eager protocol (e.g. 0 - 512 bytes, 1KB - 8KB, 16KB -=
64KB)? If yes then what are the
boundaries for them? Can I log them with debug-event-logging? </span><br>
</li></ol>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Setup I am using:</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- two nodes has intel core i7, o=
ne with 16gb memory another one 8gb</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- mpich 3.2.1, configured and bu=
ild to use nemesis tcp</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- 1gb Ethernet connection</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- NFS is using for sharing<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- osu_latency : uses MPI_Send an=
d MPI_Recv</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- <span>MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_=
MSG_<wbr>SIZE</span>=3D
<span>131072</span> (128KB)<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Can anyone help me on that? Than=
ks in advance.<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
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span>
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as less latency than 4KB.
I was looking for explanation of this behavior but did not get any.
1. MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_SIZE is set to 128KB. So none of the abov=
e message size is using Rendezvous protocol. Is there any partition inside =
eager protocol (e.g. 0 - 512 bytes, 1KB - 8KB, 16KB - 64KB)? If yes then wh=
at are the boundaries for them? Can I log them with debug-event-logging?
Setup I am using:
- two nodes has intel core i7, one with 16gb memory another one 8gb
- mpich 3.2.1, configured and build to use nemesis tcp
- 1gb Ethernet connection
- NFS is using for sharing
- osu_latency: uses MPI_Send and MPI_Recv
- MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_SIZE=3D 131072 (128KB)
Can anyone help me on that? Thanks in advance.
Best Regards,
Abu Naser
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<p style=3D"margin-top: 0;margin-bottom:0">Yes, I am using a switch and othe=
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<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Good day to all,</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">I had run point to point osu_lat=
ency test in two nodes for 200 times. Followings are the average time=
in microsecond for various size of the messages -</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"></p>
<div>1KB 84.8514 us<br>
<span style=3D"color: rgb(255,0,0)">2KB 73.52535</span> us=
<br>
4KB 272.55275 us<br>
<span style=3D"color: rgb(255,0,0)">8KB 234.86385</span> u=
s<br>
16KB 288.88 us<br>
32KB 523.3725 us<br>
64KB 910.4025 us</div>
<p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">From the above looks like, 2KB m=
essage has less latency than 1 KB and 8KB has less latency than 4KB.
<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">I was looking for explanation of=
this behavior but did not get any.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<ol style=3D"margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top:0px">
<li><span>MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_<wbr>SIZE</span><span> is set to 128K=
B. So none of the above message size is using Rendezvous protocol. Is there=
any partition inside eager protocol (e.g. 0 - 512 bytes, 1KB - 8KB, 16KB -=
64KB)? If yes then what are the
boundaries for them? Can I log them with debug-event-logging? </span><br>
</li></ol>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Setup I am using:</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- two nodes has intel core i7, o=
ne with 16gb memory another one 8gb</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- mpich 3.2.1, configured and bu=
ild to use nemesis tcp</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- 1gb Ethernet connection</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- NFS is using for sharing<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- osu_latency : uses MPI_Send an=
d MPI_Recv</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- <span>MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_=
MSG_<wbr>SIZE</span>=3D
<span>131072</span> (128KB)<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Can anyone help me on that? Than=
ks in advance.<br>
</p>
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as less latency than 4KB.
I was looking for explanation of this behavior but did not get any.
1. MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_SIZE is set to 128KB. So none of the abov=
e message size is using Rendezvous protocol. Is there any partition inside =
eager protocol (e.g. 0 - 512 bytes, 1KB - 8KB, 16KB - 64KB)? If yes then wh=
at are the boundaries for them? Can I log them with debug-event-logging?
Setup I am using:
- two nodes has intel core i7, one with 16gb memory another one 8gb
- mpich 3.2.1, configured and build to use nemesis tcp
- 1gb Ethernet connection
- NFS is using for sharing
- osu_latency: uses MPI_Send and MPI_Recv
- MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_SIZE=3D 131072 (128KB)
Can anyone help me on that? Thanks in advance.
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<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">I had run point to point osu_lat=
ency test in two nodes for 200 times. Followings are the average time=
in microsecond for various size of the messages -</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"></p>
<div>1KB 84.8514 us<br>
<span style=3D"color: rgb(255,0,0)">2KB 73.52535</span> us=
<br>
4KB 272.55275 us<br>
<span style=3D"color: rgb(255,0,0)">8KB 234.86385</span> u=
s<br>
16KB 288.88 us<br>
32KB 523.3725 us<br>
64KB 910.4025 us</div>
<p></p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">From the above looks like, 2KB m=
essage has less latency than 1 KB and 8KB has less latency than 4KB.
<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">I was looking for explanation of=
this behavior but did not get any.</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<ol style=3D"margin-bottom: 0px; margin-top:0px">
<li><span>MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_MSG_SIZE</span><span> is set to 128KB. So=
none of the above message size is using Rendezvous protocol. Is there any =
partition inside eager protocol (e.g. 0 - 512 bytes, 1KB - 8KB, 16KB - 64KB=
)? If yes then what are the boundaries
for them? Can I log them with debug-event-logging? </span><br>
</li></ol>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Setup I am using:</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- two nodes has intel core i7, o=
ne with 16gb memory another one 8gb</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- mpich 3.2.1, configured and bu=
ild to use nemesis tcp</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- 1gb Ethernet connection</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- NFS is using for sharing<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- osu_latency : uses MPI_Send an=
d MPI_Recv</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">- <span>MPIR_CVAR_CH3_EAGER_MAX_=
MSG_SIZE</span>=3D
<span>131072</span> (128KB)<br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin-top: 0; margin-bottom:0">Can anyone help me on that? Than=
ks in advance.<br>
</p>
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loads and stores in the MPI_Win_lock_all epochs using MPI_Fetch_and_op (see=
attached files).<br>
<br>
This version behaves very similar to the original code and also fails from =
time to time. Putting a sleep into the acquire busy loop (usleep(100)) will=
make the code "much more robust" (I hack, I know, but indicating=
some underlying race condition?!). Let me know if you see any problems in =
the way I am using MPI_Fetch_and_op in a busy loop. Flushing or syncing is =
not necessary in this case, right?<br>
<br>
All work is done with export MPIR_CVAR_ASYNC_PROGRESS=3D1 on mpich-3.2 and =
mpich-3.3a2<br>
<br>
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 4: 21 PM, Halim Amer <<a href=3D"mailto:aamer@anl.=
gov" target=3D"_blank">aamer(a)anl.gov</a>> wrote: <br>
I cannot claim that I thoroughly verified the correctness of that code, so =
take it with a grain of salt. Please keep in mind that it is a test code fr=
om a tutorial book; those codes are meant for learning purposes not for dep=
loyment.<br>
<br>
If your goal is to have a high performance RMA lock, I suggest you to look =
into the recent HPDC'16 paper: "High-Performance Distributed RMA Locks=
".<br>
<br>
Halim<br>
<a href=3D"http: //www.mcs.anl.gov/~aamer" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_bla=
nk">www.mcs.anl.gov/~aamer</a><br>
<br>
On 3/8/17 3: 06 AM, Ask Jakobsen wrote:<br>
You are absolutely correct, Halim. Removing the test lmem[nextRank] =3D=3D =
-1<br>
in release fixes the problem. Great work. Now I will try to understand why<=
br>
you are right. I hope the authors of the book will credit you for<br>
discovering the bug.<br>
<br>
So in conclusion you need to remove the above mentioned test AND enable<br>
asynchronous progression using the environment variable<br>
MPIR_CVAR_ASYNC_PROGRESS=3D1 in MPICH (BTW I still can't get the code to wo=
rk<br>
in openmpi).<br>
<br>
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 5: 37 PM, Halim Amer <<a href=3D"mailto:aamer@anl.=
gov" target=3D"_blank">aamer(a)anl.gov</a>> wrote: <br>
<br>
detect that another process is being or already enqueued in the MCS<br>
queue.<br>
<br>
Actually the problem occurs only when the waiting process already enqueued<=
br>
itself, i.e., the accumulate operation on the nextRank field succeeded.<br>
<br>
Halim<br>
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nk">www.mcs.anl.gov/~aamer</a> <<a href=3D"http: //www.mcs.anl.gov/%7Eaam=
er" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http: //www.mcs.anl.gov/%7Eaam<wbr>=
er</a>><br>
<br>
<br>
On 3/7/17 10: 29 AM, Halim Amer wrote:<br>
<br>
In the Release protocol, try removing this test: <br>
<br>
if (lmem[nextRank] =3D=3D -1) {<br>
If-Block;<br>
}<br>
<br>
but keep the If-Block.<br>
<br>
The hang occurs because the process releasing the MCS lock fails to<br>
detect that another process is being or already enqueued in the MCS queue.<=
br>
<br>
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On 3/7/17 6: 43 AM, Ask Jakobsen wrote:<br>
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Thanks, Halim. I have now enabled asynchronous progress in MPICH (can't<br>
find something similar in openmpi) and now all ranks acquire the lock and<b=
r>
the program finish as expected. However if I put a while(1) loop<br>
around the<br>
acquire-release code in main.c it will fail again at random and go<br>
into an<br>
infinite loop. The simple unfair lock does not have this problem.<br>
<br>
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My understanding is that this code assumes asynchronous progress.<br>
An example of when the processes hang is as follows: <br>
<br>
1) P0 Finishes MCSLockAcquire()<br>
2) P1 is busy waiting in MCSLockAcquire() at<br>
do {<br>
MPI_Win_sync(win);<br>
} while (lmem[blocked] =3D=3D 1);<br>
3) P0 executes MCSLockRelease()<br>
4) P0 waits on MPI_Win_lock_all() inside MCSLockRlease()<br>
<br>
Hang!<br>
<br>
For P1 to get out of the loop, P0 has to get out of<br>
MPI_Win_lock_all() and<br>
executes its Compare_and_swap().<br>
<br>
For P0 to get out MPI_Win_lock_all(), it needs an ACK from P1 that it<br>
got<br>
the lock.<br>
<br>
P1 does not make communication progress because MPI_Win_sync is not<br>
required to do so. It only synchronizes private and public copies.<br>
<br>
For this hang to disappear, one can either trigger progress manually by<br>
using heavy-duty synchronization calls instead of Win_sync (e.g.,<br>
Win_unlock_all + Win_lock_all), or enable asynchronous progress.<br>
<br>
To enable asynchronous progress in MPICH, set the<br>
MPIR_CVAR_ASYNC_PROGRESS<br>
env var to 1.<br>
<br>
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On 3/6/17 1: 11 PM, Ask Jakobsen wrote:<br>
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I am testing on x86_64 platform.<br>
<br>
I have tried to built both the mpich and the mcs lock code with -O0 to<br>
avoid agressive optimization. After your suggestion I have also<br>
tried to<br>
make volatile int *pblocked pointing to lmem[blocked] in the<br>
MCSLockAcquire<br>
function and volatile int *pnextrank pointing to lmem[nextRank] in<br>
MCSLockRelease, but it does not appear to make a difference.<br>
<br>
On suggestion from Richard Warren I have also tried building the code<br>
using<br>
openmpi-2.0.2 without any luck (however it appears to acquire the<br>
lock a<br>
couple of extra times before failing) which I find troubling.<br>
<br>
I think I will give up using local load/stores and will see if I can<br>
figure<br>
out if rewrite using MPI calls like MPI_Fetch_and_op as you suggest.<=
br>
Thanks for your help.<br>
<br>
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<br>
What processor architecture are you testing?<br>
<br>
<br>
Maybe set lmem to volatile or read it with MPI_Fetch_and_op rather<br>
than a<br>
load. MPI_Win_sync cannot prevent the compiler from caching *lmem<br>
in a<br>
register.<br>
<br>
Jeff<br>
<br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
<br>
I have downloaded the source code for the MCS lock from the excellent<br>
book "Using Advanced MPI" from <a href=3D"http: //www.mcs.anl.gov/=
researc" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http: //www.mcs.anl.gov/resear=
c</a><br>
h/projects/mpi/usingmpi/exampl<wbr>es-advmpi/rma2/mcs-lock.c<br>
<br>
I have made a very simple piece of test code for testing the MCS lock<br>
but<br>
it works at random and often never escapes the busy loops in the<br>
acquire<br>
and release functions (see attached source code). The code appears<br>
semantically correct to my eyes.<br>
<br>
#include <stdio.h><br>
#include <mpi.h><br>
#include "mcs-lock.h"<br>
<br>
int main(int argc, char *argv[])<br>
{<br>
MPI_Win win;<br>
MPI_Init( &argc, &argv );<br>
<br>
MCSLockInit(MPI_COMM_WORLD, &win);<br>
<br>
int rank, size;<br>
MPI_Comm_rank(MPI_COMM_WORLD, &rank);<br>
MPI_Comm_size(MPI_COMM_WORLD, &size);<br>
<br>
printf("rank: %d, size: %d\n", rank, size);<br>
<br>
<br>
MCSLockAcquire(win);<br>
printf("rank %d aquired lock\n", rank); fflush(=
stdout);<br>
MCSLockRelease(win);<br>
<br>
<br>
MPI_Win_free(&win);<br>
MPI_Finalize();<br>
return 0;<br>
}<br>
<br>
<br>
I have tested on several hardware platforms and mpich-3.2 and<br>
mpich-3.3a2<br>
but with no luck.<br>
<br>
It appears that the MPI_Win_Sync are not "refreshing" the local<b=
r>
data or<br>
I<br>
have a bug I can't spot.<br>
<br>
A simple unfair lock like <a href=3D"http: //www.mcs.anl.gov/researc" rel=3D=
"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http: //www.mcs.anl.gov/researc</a><br>
h/projects/mpi/usingmpi/exampl<wbr>es-advmpi/rma2/ga_mutex1.c works<br>
perfectly.<br>
<br>
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<br>
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will know for sure whether this is a comms issue or an algorithmic one is t=
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libri",sans-serif;color: #1F497D">I will record the timestamp for each =
thread and every event. Thanks for your suggestions!
<o: p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color: #1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color: #1F497D">Qiguo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color: #1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size: 11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif">From: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif"> parasietje(a)gmail.com [mailto:p=
arasietje(a)gmail.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ruben Faelens<br>
<b>Sent: </b> Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:58 AM<br>
<b>To: </b> discuss(a)mpich.org<br>
<b>Subject: </b> Re: [mpich-discuss] CPU usage versus Nodes, Threads<o:p></o=
: p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o: p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Qiguo,<o: p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o: p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You should try to collect performance statistics, es=
pecially regarding your specific nodes and what they are doing at every mom=
ent in time.<o: p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If I understand correctly, your algorithm does the f=
ollowing: <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- Master thread: read in data, split it up into piec=
es, transfer pieces to slaves<o: p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- Slave thread: do calculation, transfer data back t=
o master<o: p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- Master: recombine data, do calculation, split data=
back up, transfer pieces to slaves<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- etc...<o: p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o: p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The reason you do not see linear performance scaling=
could be due to the following: <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- The master thread recombining and splitting the da=
ta set may be responsible for a large part of the work (and therefore is th=
e bottleneck)<o: p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- Work is not divided equally. A significant part of=
the time is spent waiting on one slave node who has a more difficult probl=
em (takes longer) than the rest.<o: p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- There is a common dataset. I/O takes a larger part=
of the time when more slave nodes are used.<o: p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o: p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The only way to know for sure, is to simply generate=
a log file that shows the time every process starts and ends a specific pr=
ocess step. Output the time when <o: p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- the slave starts receiving data<o: p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- starts calculation<o: p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- starts sending results back<o: p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">- starts waiting for his next piece of data<o: p></o:=
p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This will clearly show you what each node is doing a=
t each moment in time, and should identify the bottleneck.<o: p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o: p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">/ Ruben<o: p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o: p> </o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o: p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5: 27 PM, Qiguo Jing <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto: qjing(a)trinityconsultants.com" target=3D"_blank">qjing@trinity=
consultants.com</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border: none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left: 4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D">Hi Bob,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D">Thanks for your suggestions. Here are m=
ore tests. We actually have three clusters.</span><o: p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D">Cluster 1 and 2: 8 nodes, (2 Processors, 4 co=
res/processor, no HT =E2=80=93 Total 8 Threads)/node</span><o: p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D">Cluster 3:  =
; 8 nodes, (1 Processors, 4 cores /proc=
essor, HT =E2=80=93 Total 8 Threads )/node</span><o: p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D">We also have a standalone machine: 2 processo=
rs, 6 cores/processor, HT =E2=80=93 total 24 threads.</span><o: p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D">For one particular case:
</span><o: p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D">Cluster 1 and 2 take 48 min to finish with 8 nodes,=
8 threads/node, 60% CPU usage; 53 min to finish
with 3 nodes, 8 threads/node, 90% CPU usage;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D">Cluster 3 takes 227 min to finish with 8 nodes, 8 t=
hreads/node, 20% CPU usage; 207 min to finish with
3 nodes, 8 threads/node, 50% CPU usage;</span><o: p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D">Standalone machine takes 82 min to finish with 24 t=
hreads, 100% CPU usage.</span><o: p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D">It looks like with 24 threads, they should be prett=
y busy? Could the above phenomena be a hardware
issue more than software?</span><o: p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D">Qiguo</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sa=
ns-serif;color: #1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri"=
,sans-serif">From: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri",sans-serif"> Bob Ilgner [<a href=3D"mailto: bobilgner@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank">mailto: bobilgner(a)gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent: </b> Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:11 AM<br>
<b>To: </b> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">discuss@m=
pich.org</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b> Re: [mpich-discuss] CPU usage versus Nodes, Threads</span><=
o: p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto">Hi Qiguo,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto">From the results table it looks as if you are using a computa=
tionally sparse algorithm. i.e. the problem may not lie with the inefficien=
cy of your communication between threads
but just that your algorithm is not keeping the processor busy enough for =
a large number of threads. The only way that you will know for sure whether=
this is a comms issue or an algorithmic one is to use a profiling tool, su=
ch as Vampir or Paraver.<o: p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto">With the profiling result you will be able to determine whether yo=
u need to make algorithmic changes in your bulk processing and enhance comm=
s as per Huiwei's notes.<o: p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto">I would be interested to know what your profiling shows.<o:p></o:p=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto">Regards, bob<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto">On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Qiguo Jing <<a href=3D"mailto=
: qjing(a)trinityconsultants.com" target=3D"_blank">qjing(a)trinityconsultants.c=
om</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border: none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left: 4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-=
bottom: 5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto">We have a parallel program running on a cluster. We recently=
found a case, which decreases the CPU usage and increase the run-time when=
increases Nodes. Below is the results
table.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto">The particular run requires a lot of data communication between no=
des.
<o: p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto">Any thoughts about this phenomena? Or is there any way we ca=
n improve the CPU usage when using higher number of nodes?
<o: p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt: auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<table class=3D"MsoNormalTable" border=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=
=3D"0" width=3D"441" style=3D"width: 331.0pt;border-collapse:collapse">
<tbody>
<tr style=3D"height: 15.0pt">
<td width=3D"153" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 115.0pt;bord=
er: solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">Average CPU Usage (%)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"119" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 89.0pt;borde=
r: solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;heigh=
t: 15.0pt;border-color:currentColor">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">Number of Nodes</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"169" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 127.0pt;bord=
er: solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-left:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;heig=
ht: 15.0pt;border-color:currentColor">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">Number of Threads/Node</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr style=3D"height: 15.0pt">
<td width=3D"153" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 115.0pt;bord=
er: solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;heigh=
t: 15.0pt;border-color:currentColor windowtext windowtext">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">100</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"119" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 89.0pt;borde=
r-top: none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-rig=
ht: solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;border-=
color: currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">1</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"169" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 127.0pt;bord=
er-top: none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-ri=
ght: solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;border=
-color: currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">8</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr style=3D"height: 15.0pt">
<td width=3D"153" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 115.0pt;bord=
er: solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;heigh=
t: 15.0pt;border-color:currentColor windowtext windowtext">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">92</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"119" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 89.0pt;borde=
r-top: none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-rig=
ht: solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;border-=
color: currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">2</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"169" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 127.0pt;bord=
er-top: none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-ri=
ght: solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;border=
-color: currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">8</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr style=3D"height: 15.0pt">
<td width=3D"153" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 115.0pt;bord=
er: solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;heigh=
t: 15.0pt;border-color:currentColor windowtext windowtext">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">50</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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r-top: none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-rig=
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color: currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor">
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o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">3</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<td width=3D"169" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 127.0pt;bord=
er-top: none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-ri=
ght: solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;border=
-color: currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">8</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<td width=3D"153" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 115.0pt;bord=
er: solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;heigh=
t: 15.0pt;border-color:currentColor windowtext windowtext">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">40</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"119" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 89.0pt;borde=
r-top: none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-rig=
ht: solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;border-=
color: currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">4</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<td width=3D"169" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 127.0pt;bord=
er-top: none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-ri=
ght: solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;border=
-color: currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">8</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<td width=3D"153" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 115.0pt;bord=
er: solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;heigh=
t: 15.0pt;border-color:currentColor windowtext windowtext">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">35</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"119" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 89.0pt;borde=
r-top: none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-rig=
ht: solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;border-=
color: currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">5</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"169" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 127.0pt;bord=
er-top: none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-ri=
ght: solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;border=
-color: currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">8</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<tr style=3D"height: 15.0pt">
<td width=3D"153" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 115.0pt;bord=
er: solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;heigh=
t: 15.0pt;border-color:currentColor windowtext windowtext">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">30</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</td>
<td width=3D"119" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 89.0pt;borde=
r-top: none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-rig=
ht: solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;border-=
color: currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">6</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<td width=3D"169" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 127.0pt;bord=
er-top: none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-ri=
ght: solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;border=
-color: currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">8</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<td width=3D"153" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 115.0pt;bord=
er: solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;heigh=
t: 15.0pt;border-color:currentColor windowtext windowtext">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">25</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<td width=3D"119" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 89.0pt;borde=
r-top: none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-rig=
ht: solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;border-=
color: currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">7</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<td width=3D"169" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 127.0pt;bord=
er-top: none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-ri=
ght: solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;border=
-color: currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">8</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<td width=3D"153" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 115.0pt;bord=
er: solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;heigh=
t: 15.0pt;border-color:currentColor windowtext windowtext">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">20</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<td width=3D"119" nowrap=3D"" valign=3D"bottom" style=3D"width: 89.0pt;borde=
r-top: none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-rig=
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color: currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">8</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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er-top: none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;border-ri=
ght: solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:15.0pt;border=
-color: currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">8</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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t: 15.0pt;border-color:currentColor windowtext windowtext">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt: auto;text-align:center">
<span style=3D"color: black">20</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color: currentColor windowtext windowtext currentColor">
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<span style=3D"color: black">8</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style=3D"color: black">4</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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